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Accueil » projects & downloads » Core Products » Space Empires V » issues

Allow all abilities to stack

Soumis par Phoenix-D le Mer, 2006-10-25 16:05
Project:Space Empires V
Version:1.08
Component:Code
Category:feature
Priority:normal
Assigned:Unassigned
Status:active

Description

Right now certain abilities (like Combat Movement) do not stack if they are added to a design multiple times by a single component type (you can't, for example, add two afterburners).

It would help modding possibilities a lot of all components were allowed to stack, and the stacking limited by requirements.

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maybe but certain things

Soumis par Elucidus le Mer, 2006-10-25 22:13

maybe but certain things don't make sense to me to stack, like combat sensors. Just cause you scan them twice doesn't me you are gonna hit them more.

I think I understand what you are saying though, it would give us modders more options.

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2x Sensors

Soumis par Rilbur le Mer, 2006-10-25 22:20

Stacking sensors can make a certain degree of sense... 2x the "power" to burn through enemy ECM.

And I'd like to be able to have some combat engines stack, too... for example, if you wanted to have drones be configured to go REALLY fast in combat, or not really fast, controlled by adding/removing combat only engines (while keeping low system movement).

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Well with sensers, I can

Soumis par Elucidus le Mer, 2006-10-25 23:00

Well with sensers, I can understand stacking the detection feature but not the distance. I still don't think it shoudl help to stack the ECM or Combat Sensors, but that is justa personal opinion. Well, afterburners and engines. Hell when I first started playing the game I thought the next level of engines would have both movement points stack. Seems almost pointless to have them not. Again in my opinion.

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Here's a picture

Soumis par AngleWyrm le Mer, 2006-10-25 23:37

Very Large Array

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Workarounds are a better

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 16:18

Workarounds are a better option IMHO. Create a componant that *2 the size of afterburners with *2 the bonus...and so on and so fourth.

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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Problem is...

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 16:39

Porblem is, that doesn't always do what I want done. There are cases where I want to be able to "lock" a hull at one engine, while another hull is allowed two... doubling the size and benefit of a component would let both hulls use it, instead of just one.

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Messy

Soumis par Phoenix-D le Jeu, 2006-10-26 16:55

That's messy, and it shouldn't really be needed.

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Create a set of scale mount

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 16:56

Create a set of scale mount 1-10 and then you have a much varied choice without having to mod a load of componants.

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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As messy as having a planet

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 16:59

As messy as having a planet with nothing but space yards on it?
Or a ship with 12 combat sensors
Or a base with 5 space yards...should I go on?
Hey, how about a ship comprised of nothing but master computers?

You get my point?

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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Yeah... You dislike having

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:03

Yeah...

You dislike having components stack. We want the option because for us its easier, and it doesn't look as messy.

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Are you misinterpreting the

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:09

Are you misinterpreting the same 'normal' componants stacking (example, cargo bays)?

We're talking about componants where the ship is only allowed 'one' of. Like Space Yards, or Bridges. (or in the original post, afterburners).

I'm quite happy for normal componants that don't normally have limits on them to stack. Then I can shove my 20 shield generators on one square.

But that would be taking a step backwards to SEIV now, nah...keep it how it is.

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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No.

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:15

I want (under modder control) the ability to take "non-stackable" abilities and stack'em! I want to be able to have multiple components with "combat move" in them have effect at the same time, and I can think of a few cases where I want to stack other things like shipyards!

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Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Here you go...

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:19

This baby will go ALLLLLL the way up to lvl 99. Giving you a nice 99 extra movment in combat.

Name                                            := Afterburners
Description                                     := Provides additional movement for a fighter during combat.
Picture Number                                  := 67
Maximum Level                                   := 99
Tonnage Space Taken Formula                     := 2
Tonnage Structure Formula                       := 2
Cost Minerals Formula                           := 20 + (([%Level%] - 1) * 1)
Cost Organics Formula                           := 0
Cost Radioactives Formula                       := 10 + (([%Level%] - 1) * 1)
Supply Amount Used Formula                      := 10
Ordnance Amount Used Formula                    := 0
Can Be Placed On Vehicle Types                  := Fighter
Can Be Placed In Ship Sections                  := Inner Hull, Outer Hull
Component Type List                             := Technological
General Group                                   := Engines
Custom Group                                    := 0
Number Of Requirements                          := 2
Requirements Evaluation Availability            := AND
Requirements Evaluation Allows Placement        := TRUE
Requirements Evaluation Allows Usage            := TRUE
Requirement 1 Description                       := Empire must have at least tech level 5 in Contra - Terrene Engines.
Requirement 1 Formula                           := Get_Empire_Tech_Level("Contra - Terrene Engines") >= (5 + ([%Level%] - 1))
Requirement 2 Description                       := Empire must have at least tech level 1 in Fighters.
Requirement 2 Formula                           := Get_Empire_Tech_Level("Fighters") >= (1 + ([%Level%] - 1))
Number Of Abilities                             := 1
Ability 1 Type                                  := Combat Movement
Ability 1 Description                           := Generates +[%Amount1%] additional movement during combat (only 1 component per ship effective).
Ability 1 Scope                                 := Space Object
Ability 1 Range Formula                         := 0
Ability 1 Amount 1 Formula                      := 1 + ([%Level%] - 1)
Ability 1 Amount 2 Formula                      := 0
Weapon Type                                     := None

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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Missing. The. Point.

Soumis par Phoenix-D le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:27

I don't mean stacking in a single square, and Havoc- your example is still a single component.

I want the modder to be able to CHOOSE to allow the player the tradeoff of adding more sensors, or more afterburners, or whatever, without having to make Afterburners I, Afterburners II, Afterburners III, etc, and requiring one of each. THAT is what I meant by messy; it clutters up the component list for no point and requires extra work from the player.

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You don't understand...

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:34

You aren't understanding.

In the mod in question, I've turned drones into capitol missiles. I want most of them to be restricted to one drive, easy enough to do, but by design these engines use the combat move (almost) EXCLUSIVELY because I DON'T wanter them wandering off into other sectors.

I want one "type" of missiles to be able to go much faster than the others by giving it "multi-drive" ability, the ability to mount multiple drives. Without stacking combat movement, that means I HAVE to give it large stellar movement. And that "breaks" the mod for my purposes. Please note that splitting it off into a unit class all its own also breaks the mod, I want all missiles to luanch from one launcher becuase my only other option is to have them all launch from different types.

And creating a double-sized drive to do that is a headache all its own, because I mean for there to be multiple drive types (regular, efficient (assuming in-combat movement uses supplys, I need to check that), overloaded (goes BOOM! on impact)). I want the end-user to be able to mix-and-match drives at will, because I'm betting someone will figure out a reason to want to.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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You're both entitled to your

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:42

You're both entitled to your opinions and suggestions, as am I.

Lets leave it at that shall we. As I've got a shipset to finish.

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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The difference...

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:50

The difference is, if we get our way it doesn't prevent you from doing things your way, and the reverse isn't true.

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Getting the last word in to

Soumis par LordHavoc le Jeu, 2006-10-26 17:54

Getting the last word in to bump up your points eh Rilbur?

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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No...

Soumis par Rilbur le Jeu, 2006-10-26 18:04

No, why?

Edit:

Oh, we're neck-and-neck in points, lol. Tied for first! (Since obviously, Kwok can't count).

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*bump* Not sure if bumping

Soumis par Noble713 le Sam, 2006-12-09 19:47

*bump* Not sure if bumping will make Aaron more likely to see things or not... I want the same thing (stackable afterburners). I've split tactical and strategic movement (or tried to, at least) for ships. Having only a single combat engine component makes it impossible to slowly degrade the movement capability of a ship. Not such a big problem for tiny ships, but for gigantic capital ships it seems non-sensical for the ship to go from full speed to a dead stop instantly, and then only after it has sustained huge amounts of damage to that single engine component.

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