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Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par Slimbo le Lun, 2008-09-01 16:13 Space Empires V General

Ok, I've tackled this guy's homeworld 3 times barely losing the ground combat each time and losing countless ships in the process (pbw/BM 1.74.)

so to soften up the planet a little I set 2 task forces one set to eliminate all weapons, which functioned properly. A 2nd to damage 25% of the planet to eliminate some of the population to take out some militia for my follow up troop dropping attack on the following turn.

What happens? Task force 2 glasses the planet. I could have glassed the planet game years ago. Since We're playing allow colonization of homeworld type and this planet doesn't match my type, I'm relieing on an ally to colonize it for me. Not to mention all the turns and time I've wasted on this endeavor.

Why are the strategies so ambigious and fickle? This is getting to be a deal breaker for me on the whole franchise. It's bad enough that you can't take out Weapons platforms and drop troops in the same combat, but this last one just plain sucks and doesn't make any sense.

These guys could've stopped shooting long before glassing this full homeworld. 25% was achieved very early in the combat and they just kept shooting until the planet was empty.

I'm getting sick of bull$h!t like this.

‹ Any word on the newest version of the Balance Mod? Sick of weak weapons being able to glass a planet. ›
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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par glockgemini le Mar, 2008-09-02 08:23

Are you using a strategy that doesn't target the population and facilities but just the WPs and troops? Sometimes, if the planet has a lot of WPs and troops, he'll run out of population and facilites before running out of troops and WPs. Attacking a well defended homeworkd is a delicate balance of firepower and restraint.

You must make sure that population and facilities are not targeted items. Even still, there will be collateral damage.

Use PDWs to defend against missiles and take out mines and satelites. Use direct fire weapons to target the WPs and troops.

If you are doing PBW, you are kinda screwed because the AI used is almost impossible to control.

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par TakAhLah le Mar, 2008-09-02 09:07

I know this sounds really obvious, but before doing delicate attacks like this, it is really important to test these strategies in the simulator to make sure they work and to avoid things like this happening.

Setting up the simulator can be a real pain...it would be nice if you could copy sectors and their forces and stick them directly in the sim...but this idea belongs in another thread.

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par Randallw le Mar, 2008-09-02 09:22

I usually run lots of tests before I do anything. Some times I mean to do tests but I don't have the time when I get around to doing my turn. We're in the same game by the way (I checked to see if you were one of my enemies, or to be exact actively at war, nope) and I've noticed plenty of messed up combats. Last turn I was attacked and my enemy's fighters just flew past a ship of mine that had a movement of .1 (no engines). There've been plenty of occasions where things went weird but I don't let it bother me much. What can you do ? Smiling (although the recent battle where I caught up to and boarded an enemy ship at 2:59:00 was hilarious). I know you can only spend a certain amount of time but fortune does favour the prepared. Lots of times I tested a design or tactic and discovered a flaw, sometimes I don't.

One of the benefits of fighting in my home system is I can test my honeworlds defences and already have all its cargo and facilities set up Smiling

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par Slimbo le Mar, 2008-09-02 18:53

My goal was to elimiate all WP's and roughly 25% of the population for my follow up attack of dropping troops. I couldn't quite beat the militia at the populations normal level. If I had planned to just glass the planet I could've done it long ago.

The weapons were well all gone and it took them a long time to finish off the 2,000+ million people, as well as facilities. It just didn't stop at 25% damage.

My point is I like all the intricacies of the game. However they are pointless when they don't work. 25% damage is pretty straight forward. How else is the game supposed to interpret this?

~Slimbo

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design...(unfortunately not)

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par rditto48801 le Mer, 2008-09-03 00:49

The strategies apparently only do what they are programmed to do, which can be a bit of a problem when one thing conflicts with another, they trip over each other, etc.

I am curious about something.
For the strategy you use for the genocidal task force, what Engage Distance/Damage Amount settings do you have for the following target types?
Planet With Colony
Weapon Platform
Facility
Building

Does the game actually 'count' population as far as how much damage a planet has taken, or are they just casualties that occur when the planet is damaged? I never really paid much attention to it myself.

I can't really say much else, since my knowledge of BM is very limited at best, so I have to fill the role of Watson instead of Sherlock Holmes.

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par Slimbo le Mer, 2008-09-03 01:27

Planet with Colony - long range/25% dmg
Weapon platform - long range/100% dmg
facility - do not engage/all weapons gone
building - do not engage/all weapons gone

Although I had a thought, are militia considered troops before troops drop. I may not have set it not to destroy troops. Perhaps it destroyed the population to eliminate potential troops? Lame, but plausable considering the way the ai thinks.

~Slimbo

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design...

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par evilhamburger le Mer, 2008-09-03 06:00

problem...

with planets, those figures don't work.

Here is an example from combat that I have experienced...

Planet with 20kt/20kt facilities, 50kt/50kt pop...

You kill 10kt pop, game thinks like this... Planet with 20kt/20kt facilities, 40kt/40kt pop
It should think like this... Planet with 20kt/20kt facilities, 40kt/50kt pop

see the problem?? It will think planet is at 100% structure because it's like the pop was never there!

same with facilites!

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Re: Ambigious Strategy settings are ruining the game for me...

Soumis par rditto48801 le Mer, 2008-09-03 06:16

I think the 'Troops' part of the strategy only works for ground combat, since that is the only place they actually 'appear', the rest of the time, it is probably not used, like how stuff like 'attack ship' would be a pointless target type for troops.

Militia, AFAIK, don't 'exist' until ground combat occurs, and that the number of militia that appear is based on the population number.

I am unsure if surviving militia 'stay' after combat is over, or if they 'disband' once the battle is over.

I have little experience with ground combat myself, the few times I did do it, I had sent in several transports packed full of troops and also some fighters (in stock, although).
The rest of the time... the planet usually got glassed, usually by accident... I haven't played SE V much lately, and my latest game hasn't yet seen the need for planet capture, so I have got only a little work done on updating custom strategies, and have yet to fully make a test a 'attack the planet but don't blow it to bits' strategy. Didn't help that I somehow missed the option to sace custom strategies until recently...

@ evilhamburger
Since population are basically like 'cargo' on a planet, I can see why the game thinks 50kt/50kt - 10kt would be 40kt/40kt, because it is not a 'fixed' value like facilities or even the structure capacity of weapon platforms.

Back on topic.
Perhaps set Planet with Colony to Do Not Engage and set Facility/Building damage to some limited amount and hope the few pot shots take out some population in the process?
Or would it just cause ships to ignore the planet in general?
Perhaps Planet with Colony (and even Weapon Platforms?) should simply be set to All Weapons Gone?

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