None Atmosphere Breathing or Applied Logic |
I was just answering around in another thread ( scrapping or jettison enemy units as cargo .. )
when I thought about jettison cargo from planets .. ( kinda like spaceballs without the maid-bot )
which lead to the jettison facility ( which shoots stuff out of the atmosphere ) and the planetary airlock .. which need to be opened and will vent the planetary atmosphere while jettison something ..
which then ( i know i should burn some of those whiches ) led me to think .. my thats a convinient terraforming for none-atmosphere breathers ..
then after all those random thoughts a inspirational particle finally crossed my brain and lit some synapses ..
Why do races which "breathe" No Atmosphere actually care about atmospheres on other planets ?
Do the breathe at all ? Or what do they do ?
Should this not be a trait or something that enables one to colonize all kinds of atmosphere as breathable.
I know this would be some kind of munchkinesque powergaming but if expensive enough .. why not ?
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Oh don't get me started on planet sizes, pressure, gravitation and temperatures 
If you are going this way all planets which differ to a certain degree from the homeworlds should be domed, or in some way or another be impaired
I just thought if the don't breathe every other atmosphere is kind of the same and not really a bother.
Hence some kind of mechanical race trait ( it should work out for robots ^^ )
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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I don't think you could balance this trait. maybe to make it cost soo much that you had to take every other negtive trait just to afford it...
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Yep, Air Pressure issues. If a human was to be launched into space, aside from the freezing temperature, they'd explode and their blood would boil from the lack of air pressure. We've adapted to having a certain amount of (fairly weighty) air pressing down on us all our lives, so if we suddenly don't have that we blow up.
So, apply reverse logic - a lifeform that grew up with no atmosphere must not have any air pressure if it's to survive. Else it'll be crushed and various life-essential gases would condense.
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Cool .. lets make Huge Planets uncolonizable
and dome every planet from the two planet types you don't start with
but I must give you all, I thought about air pressure too. And the cost of the trait would be immense.
Other than that I was just thinking ..
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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I agree, when playing a game such as this, there is a bit of reality suspension (for game play). but for game balancing, I'd skip the idea.
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as far as non-breather's go, don't they get the shaft? I don't think I've seen a Gas planet without any atmosphere. So they have about 2/3 of the "green" planets compared to the other breathers.
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Thats because there are no Gas Planets with atmosphere
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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Rilo, your right about balancing .. sometimes I just amuse myself with crazy thoughts
But wouldn't it be cool sometimes
I still think I want a planetary jettison-cargo facility
Captain, there are .. .. people in orbit .. .. lots of people.
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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how about making it a 2,500 or 3,000 point racial trait?
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Wouldn't work with the present interface. Atmosphere types aren't chosen on the right screen to charge for the trait.
That's just the start. This just isn't worth the trouble in terms of balance and the effort it'd take to implement it. Maybe as a sug for SE6?
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I believe that they get extra planets elsewhere, and the slight advantage of being able to colonise an asteroid belt more effectively, since those tiny planets/large asteroids (whatever they're emant to be) in the belts never have atmosphere
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Ha ! .. it would work ! I knew It ..
now that i am thinking about it again, and double checked in wikipedia ^^
the pressure difference isn't that bad between space and surface
its 1013.25 hPa on the surface at sea level( more or less, world wide max was 1085 and min 869 ) at sealevel, at 5.5km height the pressure is allready halved
So the pressure difference between surface and space is nearly equal to 10 metres of depth in water ..
we all could survive that except for the breathing part
After that I came to some equations
less pressure = bad
higher gravity = bad
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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Y'all have forgotten another very important aspect.
Lifeforms which have evolved under one set of atmospheric conditions might very well not only be unable to breathe another type of atmosphere, but it could very well be corrosive to them.
I'd expect that a critter that evolved without breathing anything might very well be able to ignore the fact that it suddenly has an ocean of gasses surrounding it, unless the main components of said gasses were dissolving the critter ... don't forget, oxygen is a highly corrosive gas. We breathe it and use it, but something that evolved without its influence could very well find itself melting faster than the Wicked Witch of the West did when she got wet.
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Personally, I've always wanted to go with the "None" atmosphere type being Unevolvable - that is, you don't have it as a choice during race creation, which accordingly renders it domed by all races.
Would be nice to have a planet type that everyone was forced to dome; and thematic to boot!
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That would also be sweet
which would make asteroid colonisation more balanced
a feature i want in SE:6 as standart too
Remember : Pillage! then burn.
- Cpt. Kaff Tagon
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Only to say something about the logic, why they can not go on planets with an atmosphere. If they live on a planet without an atmosphere, than they might have serious trouble to deal with the air preasure.