Strange Things In 1.58

Anybody else notice the planets have 10% more facility space? I've started a couple of stock 1.58 games and every one had this mysterious plus 10 advantage. Well, it will be interesting until MM fixes it.

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It might be that the supply generation ability can only work while uncloaked. I know most active abilities are like that, and a few passive ones are too.

As for the one-way first contact, I'm not sure whether first contact is actually contact, or just when you've seen them. It's also possible the other race's ship moved within sensor range during its turn, but left again by the end of the turn, and so it only seemed to have not seen you.

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The Advanced Storage Techniques trait was modified to provide more facility space in the latest patch.

A ship with a cloaking device uses supplies - perhaps it's in the same amount as your quantum reactor is generating?

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Not generate supply while cloaked?
That's stupid.

About as stupid as another game I sometimes play, where anything and everything can stop a ship from generating power.

Seriously, If I turn on the Microwave, the rest of the house is NOT going to suddenly loose power and cause me to have to use battery powered items while the microwave is on... Or for the other game, if I poke my wall, the house is NOT going to loose power for a short period of time and force me to pull out battery powered stuff...
It's utter nonsense imho...

@ Atomizer4
1: In 1.44 I've had the AI send me messages to get out of a system because of them getting ready to launch an offensive there, even if I didn't have ships in that system, and in one instance, a system I had recently new colonies in... Maybe that's what they did with you...

2: I think it is possible for espionage missions to be able to 'frame' another race for intel actions.

well if you want logic generating supplies is not exactly as turning on a microwave oven, the energy signature of a high energy reactor is like "turning on" a small city, hard to conceal that.
Gamewise anything makes sense if the rules are known and serve a purpose, anyone for the argument of inertia in space combat and space movement? Ships moving in space have extreme velocities and extremely precise trajectories and cannot initiate combat manouvres unless decelarate and somehow manage to enter a common route with the opponent. But gameplaywise I don't want to know about that...

Well, I suspected as much... the point is that the maker makes the rules, it's obvious there will be conflict of opinion - imagine what will hapen with reality.
Try reading "The Praxis" a trilogy by Walter John Williams, you'll see space combat under the Newtonian Physics perspective. A great read but - Unplayable -.
bottom line I wouldn't mind if a cloaking device could hide the entire solar system and the enemy could not find his way back to his system as long as it was fun to experiment with and play.

Now this is an interesting discussion... Cloaking devices enabled wont allow genereration of supplies by a quantum reactor? Wow.

Lets look at this... How do the two types of cloaking devices work? We have obviously the stealth cloak and then the standard cloaking device. I assume one is about stealth.... like a B2 Stealth Bomber which deflects all sensor types scattering them and this seems passive to me. The other is active like the Star Trek Klingon Bird of Prey where it actively bends light around it.

I think there need to be advantages and disadvantages to both. I mean, lets say if you have solar panels. How are solar panels gonna work if light is bending around your ship? You wont be able to gather it, will ya? And can you put solar panels on stealth armor and still have it be stealthy?

What about quantum reactors? How would a passive stealth approach of just sitting around deflecting sensor waves cause the quantum reactor not to generate supplies? Would active cloaking be the same?

What about supply usage? I can see how active cloaking would cost supplies.... but passively using the armor? Perhaps the armor requires energy to work?

Lots of good talking points here. Good opportunity to come up with very differing approaches to how it all works.

I've installed the patch first thing today morning - good thing

Received an "EOutofMemory" error - very bad.

Did it happen to anyone else ? Anyone knows how to fix it ? I've been trying to do something about it for the whole day, but to no effect. What's strange is that the game worked 100% fine with the 1.44 patch.

Thanks for any info

A comment on the "advanced storage techniques" + 10 % facility space, is a good idea.

However, what use is a tiny (un-domed) planet with 5,500 facility space? No facilities are 500 space. This may need to change to 20%. Or + 1,2,3,4,5, 10, 20, for tiny, small, medium, large, hugh, ring, and sphere worlds.

Also noted that the 1.58 stock Population ship minister seems to be working. Working is defined as: moving populations from 1 planet to another. Not working as I wanted, it is moving too much population from my home planet, and filling up the tiny ones, making un-domed planets become domed due to low populations.

I also noted that if I was using cooperative intel with my allies that I would get messages from their enemies. Basically my allies were acting on to other empires that I had no contact. The non-ally empires were sending me messages based on the cooperative intel.

I also received messages from ally empires when 2 of my allies were enemies toward each other.

Same thing happened to me when I installed the patch. A system restart cured the issue. Nothing else I tried did.

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How can I remotely load specific race at a destination? When i select load population remotely in patch 1.58, the freighter first fills the race, that is on top of planet chart and then continue the remaining races.

How can i handle this with patch 1.58 in simultanous games?

Best regards,
Pit Fiend

Cloaked ships not generating supplies is not new to 1.58. It's been that way for ages - possibly even right from the start.

What SE V needs is some "lesser" or "small" facilities that are only 100-500kt in size, perhaps ones that offer minimal effects.

Maybe somthing that might make sense would be small facilities that can increase supply or ordnance generation/storage by a small amount, increase production or space yard rates by a small amount, increase the planet population, or even an actual planet based sensor system, etc.

There could also be 'small' versions of the regular storage/cargo and resource production facilities.
It would be handy for tiny planets, have something like a mini-space yard with much reduced capacity and a few other 'small' facilities, so even a tiny or small domed planet isn't highly restricted in what it can do.

On top of that, something someone else brought up at one time, instead of showing each facility seperately in the list of facilities on a planet, if multiple of the same type exist, have them displayed with a single icon with a number indicating how many of that facility there are.

For some reason, sometimes all the ships change to huge size.

Only way to fix is save,exit and start again.

Game is 1.58 BM 1.10 and FQM 5.00 Beta 12 pr 3

Correct, unless the AI population minister is moving populations based ONLY on the population amount, and is moving one race to a planet where the atmosphere is incompatible (making it domed.)

The "we need 500kT facilities" is easily modded, though you need someone to mod it. Easiest suggestion would be to downscale the Resource Storage facilities - halve everything about them.

AI Population minister... time to dig up IRM's AI and examine the population minister code there - it was written during v1.38 times so incorporating the new AI code features should allow for a more competent AI.

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Hey Crazydog- 2 quick questions for you:
If you're using FQM beta 12, where'd you get it? I can only find B11...
I have the Star Wars shipsets- Which one are you using? my Frigates look much different! (assume the Blockade Runner is 'Frigate' size) Did you mod? or should I change to a different shipset?
Thanks!
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Yeah, like expansion facilities... to compliment the main facilities.

about the FQM
http://fqm5.spaceempires.net/dev.php

about the shipsets go

http://home.spaceempires.net/shipyards-g-SE5-2.html

I'm using the alliance shipset (can't put empire to use don't know why).....

If you're having a problem with the empire shipset...let me know what it is and I'll see what I can do to fix it.

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Welllllll....

Up to 1.3x no problem at all.

In 1.58 and BM 1.10 i see the race picture, the flag but can't get the fleet picture to select the ships.

I use this....

Any idea ?

This makes perfect sense to me

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Seems i got a similar memory error. Task Manager shows CLI.exe open 15+ times. Closing them seems to cure the memory.

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Ok Crazydog...this is what I think your problem is.

You have to install the custom shipsets such as the alliance or whichever you want to use in the following.

...\Spaceempire5\gametypes\balancemod110\empires

This should allow you to use them without problems.

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Is not that.....

'In 1.58 and BM 1.10 i see the race picture, the flag but can't get the fleet picture to select the ships'
I see the race and flag but not the fleet, and that only for the romulan and empire, other CS appear.

The funny is, after add the custom shipset to the quick start list, they appear.

What are the first three settings in the AI_Main.txt file for the sets? They should be something like:

Is Empire Race := TRUE
Is Available For Player Selection := TRUE
Is Neutral Race := FALSE

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They are and in 1.33 they appear ok, is a 'thing' that only happens in 1.58.
Solved with quick start list

I noticed that you can put 2 or more space yards on a planet now if you hit the little + - buttons and put them in at same time.

I don't use any mods. Only the game vanilla with patch 1.58.

Request - could people resize screenshots to 800 pixel width please?

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They both get built

Exploit?

I'd say so

1.58 you can build multiple shipyards.

Are both spaceyards accumulative in building kt/turn? Is this feature available in vanilla, or just mods?

Best regards,
Pit Fiend

If you build more SY, all are accomulative. But I think that in stock you couldn't buy more than one SY without modding the Facilities.txt files...

Ah ok thanks, so only one SY for vanilla. That's what i wanted to know

Best regards,
Pit fiend

A way to get facility count on a planet was added in the patch. The hard-code restriction on SYs was removed, in favor of the new moddable limit. Unfortunately, it seems one minor aspect of the code was not checked properly... anyone send a bug report in yet?

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Solar panels will generate supplies on cloked ships.

I tried that, but:

1) It's roulette - 50% times the restart doesn't work and 50% times, it does, unfortunately...
2)...if the game decides to run, I can only run it once, which means that when I quit the game for some reason and if I decide to play after a while ( the time period here doesn't affect it ), that damnable error pops out.

It seems that I'm going to have to reinstall and just use the 1.44 version

The memory error seems to have something to do with initializing the graphics. i don't quite understand it. but there's a connection some how.

Gosu, it would be helpful if you could do the following:

Try running the game with the debug log on: In se5\data\debugsettings.txt set the following fields:

Generate Game Debug Log := TRUE

Generate Engine Debug Log := TRUE

Use Fast Debug Log := FALSE

Debug Section Engine Startup := TRUE

Debug Section Creation := TRUE

Debug Section Sound Base := TRUE

Debug Section Display Class := TRUE

Debug Section Display Object := TRUE

Run the game. After the error, and you’ve shut the game down, go into the se5\backup directory and email the 2 log files which are there to Malfador.

I had the same problem and that is what MM asked me to do. "Unfurtunately" in my case the chance that the bug occurs is only 10% or less and I could not reproduce it until now.

Same here - it said something about a scrolling bar ( ? )

I've solved it and found a reason for it (or rather a group of possible reasons).

I've run the game, got the error and generated the debug file ( Thanks to Qcontinuum !! ). Later today, I decided to reinstall everything - redownloaded all the patches, mods etc and got to installing everything...
When I got to the stage of patching the game up to 1.58 (at first I thought about 1.44, but decided to give it a shot), I installed only the patches to 1.08, 1.13, 1.44 and 1.58. I've launched the game once, then again, and again and again - about thirty times in a row with no error.

So, 'maybe this is just random' I thought and installed ALL of the patches, one by one... Result: "EOutofMemory..."

After a few more reinstalls, I've narrowed it down to the patches between versions 1.17 to 1.35 - when I install them all and the patch to 1.58, the error occurs.

Hope it'll be of use to anyone receiving this same error

Same here - it said something about a scrolling bar ( ? )

I've solved it and found a reason for it (or rather a group of possible reasons).

I've run the game, got the error and generated the debug file ( Thanks to Qcontinuum !! ). Later today, I decided to reinstall everything - redownloaded all the patches, mods etc and got to installing everything...
When I got to the stage of patching the game up to 1.58 (at first I thought about 1.44, but decided to give it a shot), I installed only the patches to 1.08, 1.13, 1.44 and 1.58. I've launched the game once, then again, and again and again - about thirty times in a row with no error.

So, 'maybe this is just random' I thought and installed ALL of the patches, one by one... Result: "EOutofMemory..."

After a few more reinstalls, I've narrowed it down to the patches between versions 1.17 to 1.35 - when I install them all and the patch to 1.58, the error occurs.

Hope it'll be of use to anyone receiving this same error

Interesting tracking, and potentially useful; I'm not sure why you did it from a fresh install, however. These patches are cumulative, meaning that you're supposed to be able to install the latest patch right over the retail CD version, without having to go through any intermediate patching.

From Malfador's site:
"This patch will upgrade your Space Empires V version 1.00 (US retail), version 1.08 (US retail), version 1.13 (US retail), version 1.17 (US retail), version 1.20 (US retail), version 1.25 (US retail), version 1.33 (US retail), version 1.35 (US retail), or version 1.44 (US Retail) to the new version 1.58.

*** This patch includes all previous patches ***. For example, if you have version 1.00, then you only need to download and install this patch."

Now, if folks out there have been patching a copy as each comes out without ever having reinstalled, they may encounter the problem you describe; some sort of unfortunate interaction in the patch chain. But it sounds like that if people are getting weird errors they should reinstall and put on the latest patch only.

Jdunson: Hmm, that's my case - each and every one patch applied. Now, the question is, did anyone receive that error without installing all of the patches ?

About the shipsets... hey, I understand, that the imported ones may not work, but the basic ones ? ( Out of the basic ones, about a half is available in the selection screen ) Even weirder is that some imported shipsets DO work ( like the SW Empire/Alliance ones ).

Fyron: I've looked at all the textfiles for the imported empires and all seem to be correct - however some work, while others don't.

PS: Sorry for the double-post.