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Population Growth

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Soumis par BlueTemplar le Sam, 2007-04-21 01:40 Space Empires V FAQs

I would like to sum up everything about how pop growth works. (BM numbers)

It starts at 8% per year.

- high/low racial reproduction bonus : +/-5%

- Planet Conditions : effects? Racial weakness/resistance effects?
- Happiness : effects?

- Medical Lab (also prevents plagues) : +0.2% (BM?) per level
- Gestation Vats : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl
- Genetic Recoding Lab : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl (also prevents plagues and boosts happiness by 1% (BM?) per lvl)
- Replicant Center : +1M (BM?) pop per lvl
(all of those facs are system-wide)

- Migration: 5%, +1% per 1000M pop amount

- Anything I might have forgotten.

Then, this bonus is per YEAR, not per TURN. So, if Y is the bonus per year, and T the bonus per turn, T=(1+Y)^0.1-1.
Or is it as I suspect T=Y/10, which, if Y=0.25, would give an EFFECTIVE per year bonus of 1.025^10-1~0.28?

Ok, so how all this work together? Do the facilities bonuses stack? Do the bonuses simply add to the natural 15%, or is there some multiplication? Where the migration and the Replicant Center bonus come in play?

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par BlueTemplar le Mar, 2007-05-01 15:55

So, nobody knows?

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par kirk le Mar, 2007-05-08 03:48

15% per year is a fantastic growth number per year, im using 3% rather than 15% as the base level, coupled with migration reduced to 1% per 6000, which makes imiogration and natural increse very much retarded, not to every ones likes, but does fit in my sense of reality as to probably pop increase natuarly style, and migration via commercial freighters outside the game, oh, and pop per tonnage for transport is 120, which means a lot of transports to get very few people transfered via freighters. On the + side, quadroupled the amount of damage to kill a pop point.

short version, low pop growth, v low migration, hard to get meaningful numbers via basic transports, but as i say not for evweryones taste.

conditions certainly effect pop birth rate, but i dont believe planet happiness does.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par BlueTemplar le Lun, 2007-05-14 14:55

Well, for me, Gameplay > Realism, and I like pop growth as is it now, it's even a little bit slow for me since I tend to expand fast in BM games... I like a lot how population is used in IRM, it'a really important ressource there and allows you to choose what planets will be the most productive, and what will barely pay for their facilities support cost.

I am sure that planet happiness affects pop growth, I ve seen my planets go from indifferent to jubilant, and pop growth rate rise accordingly... but I would really like to know the exact numbers, does anyone knows where to search for the formulae?

It looks like that growth is applied first, then migration, since full planets are never completly full.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par Gideon le Lun, 2007-05-14 15:11

"Per Year" is misleading.

It should read "Per Turn".

That means it's 150% "Per Year" in the stock game.

Rabbits have NOTHING on these people...

Migration occures every turn as well.

In my mod, I turned down base reproduction to 2% every 10 turns (10 turns = 1 year).

After much testing, this seems a bit low for me (Homeworlds tend to have people leave far faster than they are born, which leads to population erosion).

Right now, I'm raising it slowly, and then going back and testing. Currently I'm at 2% every 5 turns (that's twice a year, so 4% per year). Its likely I'll have to gradually raise it further, but I find it easier to set things at a slow/low level first, and then gradually turn them up until you hit that "sweet spot" for design/balance.

BTW, in the settings.txt file is the entry which determins how often the game checks population growth. Migration is fixed at every turn and not adjustable.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par BlueTemplar le Lun, 2007-05-14 15:24

I'm sure this is per year, not per turn. You would see if it was 15% per turn, the population would EXPLODE: +15% per turn is not +150% per year, it would be ~+305% per year!

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par Gideon le Lun, 2007-05-14 15:36

BlueTemplar wrote:
I'm sure this is per year, not per turn. You would see if it was 15% per turn, the population would EXPLODE: +15% per turn is not +150% per year, it would be ~+305% per year!

Hmm, well I'll mess with it some more.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par schaeen le Lun, 2007-05-14 21:07

BlueTemplar wrote:
I would like to sum up everything about how pop growth works. (BM numbers)

- Medical Lab (also prevents plagues) : +0.2% (BM?) per level
- Gestation Vats : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl
- Genetic Recoding Lab : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl (also prevents plagues and boosts happiness by 1% (BM?) per lvl)
- Replicant Center : +1M (BM?) pop per lvl
(all of those facs are system-wide)

Aren't the Gestation Vats and Genetic Recoding Lab only for certain species? What are some facilities all species can build to increase population growth? And what should we research to get those facilities?

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par kirk le Mar, 2007-05-15 03:41

Gestation Vats : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl
- Genetic Recoding Lab : +0.5% (BM?) per lvl (also prevents plagues and boosts happiness by 1% (BM?) per lvl)

These come from the racial trait organic, and then you pick organic tech to obtain them, i dont know waht happens if you ntake a planet with them, dump the race into space and re populate with your people, but i suspect you get the bonus.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par kirk le Mar, 2007-05-15 03:46

try also chaninging the number for imigration, as well as the % pop increase, im on 6000 which means more stay at home ( and so more increae and no erosion of the imigration producing base number)and less imigration and am not seeing the eroision your seeing, its a question of how many you want coming from the uber home world pop to fill up the colines, also i think 5% is the lowest point to have pop increase, to avoid having early game extremly pop rate increase from natural increase, at 2% i saw all the bad envoirnment colonies stuck at 1 m increase for scores of turns, which i kinda liked as all the imigration piled into the better worlds, but

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par Wenla le Mar, 2007-05-15 07:57

schaeen wrote:
Aren't the Gestation Vats and Genetic Recoding Lab only for certain species? What are some facilities all species can build to increase population growth? And what should we research to get those facilities?

Medical Treatment -> Medical Lab (level 1)

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par Dvoongar le Jeu, 2007-05-17 16:40

I think the BM growth rates are high in order to compensate for the AI exterminating unwanted populations as a mean of dome removal.

I don't mind too much, but transports sure can't keep up. I figure the AI needs all the help they can get, and I refuse to exterminate. That way the whole galaxy knows who the good guys are! And besides, I'm never in any real danger of losing.

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Re: Population Growth

Soumis par BlueTemplar le Mar, 2007-05-29 18:15

BM growth rate (8%) is lower than stock (15%)...

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