1.33 bug query

I just had a fiddle with this and it all works perfectly fine for me.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

I have the same problem...

Another feature/bug : the "Home Planet Different Size" setting now does not affect the player with a 1 planet start. You now always get Small for Bad, Medium for Medium and Large for Good Planet Value.
So the player can't get Tiny and Huge planets to start with anymore.
It also looks like the sizes players get are less spread out...

Was it after a fresh install, or putting 1.33 over 1.25?

Went back and did some more experimentation, and it looks like I misunderstood the what was being said. I thought when you said "I click OK and nothing changes" you meant the dialogue box wouldn't go away, so that's what I was looking for. After rereading, I understand now you meant that you can't actually change the options, and I have indeed run into this problem as well. Retreat Settings, Retreat When & Target Type Order and Settings all are unchangeable, but Movement Options & Targeting Priority Order do work.

I've sent Aaron a bug report.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

No solution yet... Though I have discovered that manually editing Strategies.txt has absolutely no effect on this whatsoever. I changed all the options for Optimal Firing Range & added a new strategy to the .txt file, and when I started a new test game, Optimal Firing Range still had all it's old settings, and my new strategy was nowhere to be found.
This is most peculiar.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

Really? That's odd. I just started a new quickstart game to test this out and was unable to edit strategies there either.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

That is because file used is set in [empire]_ai_main.txt
in empires/[empire] folder.
Actually file used is default_ai_strategies.txt in
empires/default folder.

Greetings, Branimir.

I´ve noticed that the "troop design without weapons" problem still occurs, through not as often as before.

What´s really troubling me is that the AI (in stock) is designing crystalinne and organic ships without ANY armor or shields, making them easy pickings. This is nasty... Overall however, the patch is quite an improvement, through it is rare to see an AI fleet with troop transports AND mine sweepers, so it is still quite vulnerable to mines...

Possible Bug: Playing IRM for 1.33 patch, all ships have the ability to cloak...evan without cloaking components on the ships!!! I still havent tested stock verison....

This has been in IRM for a long time it doesn’t actually do any thing unless the ship actually has a cloaking device. I would guess Fallen Haven was trying t o allow ships to go on silent running but found it impossible to implement at the time. I do remember him posting an explanation at some point but cant recall exactly what was said

That's even more peculiar then, since the files you refer to are meant to provide the AI with it's strategies, while Strategies.txt in the Data folder should be used for human players. I've done some testing and you can indeed edit the starting strategies by changing Default_AI_Strategies.txt, and you can add new ones, as long as you're not silly like me and try to give them the name of an existing strategy.

So that's a workaround, of sorts, for the time being. If you want to use custom strategies, just edit Default_AI_Strategies.txt and add or alter strategies to your heart's content. Only downside is that the AI players'll get to use those strategies too, and from what I've been told, you can't alter your strategies during the game, as they're only loaded during empire creation, so you'll be stuck with the same strategies for the whole game. Not an ideal workaround in anyone's book.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

Another small annoyance in AI ship design and research choices... It isn´t upgrading its combat sensors, and is taking too long to research shields. Needless to say, a ship with lvl 1 CS and no shields will get pummeled by oone with level 15 combat sensors shields etc.

And the problem isn´t lack of RP since I´m playing a game with medium bonus to the AI, and it was ahead of me in research levels for a loooong time. The AI makes some really silly choices like researching 4, 5 weapon types, planetary engineering early on etc.

Sure, I could (and will) mod my games, but it saddens me that it looks like the game is being built for the mods, not the opposite. C´mon, it´s version 1.33, and the only way of enjoying the game is by modding it? I´m hoping the captain will see this topic and report this nasty AI behavior to Aaron. By the way... which mod has the best AI nowadays, BM or IRM? Thanx

bheusi:

It depends what you mean by "best" AI. If you want a lot of fights and agressive AI, IRM is maybe better for you. If you prefer a more peacefull quadrant but still some good ennemies that will challenge you, go with BM.

I have'nt played stock since v1.08, and I won't even try it for quite some time. I don't think it will ever surpass the MODs. And it's ok, I prefer Aaron to fix the problems instead of balancing the game.

Yes I agree that solving the bugs is more important, but like I said before I don´t agree with leaving stock´s gameplay so screwed up.

Mods are made to give the player a different player experience. If the mod is necessary to ENJOY the game, then I would actually call BM or IRM an unofficial patch. I´ve been playing games for many years and SE V is the only game I recall that actually needs mods to be playable.

It does the same thing with drones, though I don't know if it did that before 1.33 or if it's just been introduced.

Possible bug

I'm playin a IRM 0.9c game with patch 1.33 , i dunno if it's a 1.33 bug or a game or a IRM one

On the log window it would say that 8 mines was constructed on x planet , but when i look at the ships/units window , all i have in all is 4

Someone else noticed that?

If you had the minister to launch mines activated perhaps half were launched.

i had a strange mine thing happen right now.
i secured a warppoint with mines armed with ionic-warheads (anti-engine) and an enemy ship came through the warppoint.
combat occured and the enemy ship was undamaged but all my mines where gone!!!
no message of of enemies flying into my mines or so...
and the ship didn´t have any mine-sweeper abilitys.

anybody got an idea??

Ai players can't use any strategies other then default one
for fleet task forces, and they can't even create task
forces as task force creation function is broken. Each
fleet gets only one task force with default strategy, that
is first one in default_ai_strategy file which is optimal
firing range. That's why we in irm use that strategy for
everything .
Other strategies then first one can't be even read from
file as function provided reads only first field when there
are more with same name.
Second, I have successfully changed properties for strategies during game play and game showed changes.
Perhaps adding new strategies during game play works too,
as data files are obviously readed when loading savegame.

Check it out.

Greetings, Branimir.

Ships still use Warp Points not yet discovered...

http://it.geocities.com/s_noffke/SEVWarpPoints.JPG

But they do know where they are as even it you have not surveyed the system some one else has given you the location.

Shields blocked all the damage?

no, it was one ship with 350 points of shields.
i had 100 mines there so i think it should have been enough.
it´s still a mystery to me.

I have same promblem after install 1.33 :
- it impossible to make changes to strategies with 1.33 , same player has some problem, but reinstall (and clear install 1.33 not help for me)
- bomb not working . Planet is able bombing only by rocket weapon. Ship with nuclear (or fusion) weapon not fire on the planet. So, i don't now how invade on planet with 10 or more weapon platform with nuclear missile. In 1.25 bomb work fine and with BM and with IRM

Am I missing something? My Fleets consist of at least three task forces and sometimes more. One of these is assigned Attack and Defense strategies of Maximum weapons range. One is Capture planets etc. While these are far from perfect they do work. It is still necessary to micromanage "Max Range" ships on an attack vector to start turning around now fool.

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-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

No, he means you can't change the details of the strategies under Empire Options.

Another silly bug for SE5...

Edit : we seem to have found how to fix the attack planet problem. It should work properly in next IRM version (wich may be released soon).