SE:V Changelog v1.33

sees no 8 & does happy dance as he can see a day when there is no more moaning about emmisive armour

Other than that rather sarcastic comment I like these changes and the facilitys present in ground combat adds a lot to ground combat as you can see what you are fighting over

A lot of annoyances have been fixed in this one.

I like #4! I didnt even know that was supposed to happen!!!

I like 2 and 3 the best - it's been bothering me that my bolt and seekers were firing at targets they would probably never hit.

8 is a good fix too.

Still hoping the release version says:
1. Fixed - Memory Leak

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I would settle for

1. located cause of memory leak working on a fix

It used to happen. I can't remember when it stopped but I can definately remember seeing facilities during ground combat before.

I dont remeber it ever doing that...and ive been playing since 1.05...but i guess i could be mistaken

Dude this is awesome... It's like Aarons spirit was rejuvenated at the conferance he went to! He's pumping out pactches like a madman!!!

Can we say 1.34 before the release?????

And the 'popular' bugs are just dropping like flies one by one....

What's left other than the memory leak?

Was the storm bug fixed? The one that causes storms to imapact the entire system?

I could look but I'm old, tired and lazy...

Thanks!!!!!

Javaslinger

It has I am sure I have seen it mentioned in a change log since 1.25 but as usial I cant recal which one I hope for a 1.34 before relese as well.

From v1.27 changelog: 15. Fixed - Combat would sometimes get negative to-hit modifiers from other sectors.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

1. sounds like a partial fix to my issue with the racial trait "natural merchant" being ignored. Now just teach the AI to not build spaceports when it has this trait.

And I have to update the wiki again

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Number 8 is something that I am glad to see. I presume that this means that Emmissive Armor will actually become Less effective as pieces get destroyed, rather than More effective. I also presume that this means that a ship gets the full benefit of its Emissive armor when all of the armor is intact.

about memory leak it could be reduced by programing "clearing procedure" in game engine. Game should drop all unneded threads - just like starting new game

so - game should process turn - save - clear memory just like reloading game - then autoload in background saved game.
This will little increase turn process - but not much as the geame eat now

Does that mean the end of the parthian shot?

Nice to see some bugs getting the smackdown. In regards to the memory leak, those can be a complete P.I.T.A to track down, let alone fix. I have confidence he'll find it, we just have to be patient. Just my 2 cents.

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I´m sure the definitive version of the patch will make SEV the excellent game it was meant to be... finally. Very happy to see number 8, too =) That will help fighters a lot in the endgame.

Problem is, when you are chasing enemy ships that keep at max range, they hit you, but you almost never hit them since your bolts and missiles explode before reaching them... This makes parthian shot much more deadly than it should be.

It doesn't change Parthian Shot tactics at all. When a target is approaching you there has been no change, only to when a target is going away. Often times when chasing down a target the bolt or seeker would detonate before hitting the target because of the target's speed. The expenditure of weaponry wasted should be reduced by this fix.

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I think you two are arguing the Parthian Shot from different perspectives - the one rabbit and the one chasing it.

I'd think that that particular change would make the Parthian Shot less risky.

At the risk of sounding like a complete and utter noob, what is the "Parthian Shot"?

In this game, it mean running away from the enemy while shooting missiles (or long range torps) at them from max range.

Then you should have said "yes" instead of "no", it will make the parthian shot less of an issue. That's what made me confuse the meaning of your post.

With the game standing as is post the 1.33 patchlog I would be thrilled with an early pre-weekend release... hint... hint... beyond thirlled....

It's a valid tactic, yes, but also an abuse of the flaws of the game engine since that even if in range you can't kill them. I think a better solution would be to allow the bolt and seekers to fly a bit loonger than their max range...

And what kind of adjustment you mean? Exept using missile ships ourselves at max range, i don't what else can be done to beat someone who just set his fleet to "parthian shot". Well, using beam might be a good second... But that make more than half the weapons useless.

Personally, I never was bothered with the Parthian shot but then again I use Tactical Combat. The Parthian shot can never kill my fleets. That I cannot kill the Parthian shooters is irrelevant as I am going to get to those colonies regardless of whether they're shooting at me or not. Parthian shooters can't shoot for long anyway, assuming seekers' supply demands are big.

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But i want to enjoy fleet battles, not play hide and seek. And i don't want my AI to be killed time and time again by what i consider a cheap abuse of the game rules.

True, but i guess a large number of fighters (and drones) are the answer to many things (exept a fleet that has an insane number of PDs). But the again, aside from micromanaging like Psieye does, the game just end up being a missile ships fleet vs fighter carriers fleet contest.

Combined arms should be what wins, but the current engine does not allow this.

Actually, if you consider the capacity for variance, the engine of SEV allows for just about any methodology you can come up with in ship combat. Yes, you could go uber missles or uber fighters, but what happens when the opponent comes in with a well balanced fleet of highly specialized ships supporting each other? High defense/PD escorts holding the line, carriers launching from the rear, gunships charging in behind the def/PD line with supporting missle artillery behind them. For large fleet battles, the better variance and specialization, the more you're going to be able to take on. I have yet to play a game long enough to get into massive fleets as I start at the bottom of the tech tree for personal satisfaction of discovery, but I know the capacity is there.

Still have yet to use mines or drones. Have to try that trick with mines at WPs that causes the AI to hide a while, then charge through with a massive fleet.

And a thought just struck me...anybody know why the biggest WPs are able to pass 10,000kt? The baseships aren't even half that, so why are they so big? Fleets traverse one at a time so I don't see how this is working. Or is it tonnage per turn?

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Well, i ran several tests after reports of how effective "parthian shot" was even with all the changes i did in my mod. I sent a balanced fleet against a missile fleet set to maximum range and it got slaughtered. The main reason it happened was not because of lack of anti-missile defenses but that the balanced fleet could not score hits, or at least scored very few (they were firing, but the shots rarely reached the targets). Eventually the missiles were getting through the defense net and destroyed the chasing fleet one by one.

However, if both fleet fight at optimal firing range, the role are reversed. The missile fleet is anihilated by the balanced fleet as direct fire weapons fire more often and score more hits than missiles alone.

I would like to know the answer to this question too

Or are all warp points besides 500 kt just "Flavor Text"?

Anyway, next patch should finally have all Drone problems fixed (I'm going to set drones to be controllable so I can at least tell them what to aim at). Kukuku, will this be another solution to the Parthian shot or will it actually encourage a Super Parthian Shot (drones have no range limit in combat afterall)? Actually, it wouldn't be a Super Parthian Shot since they'll just toss everything at once and reclaim any drones that don't get used up (or send those drones elsewhere).

Also, next patch will finally let me deploy satellites in meaningful ways! This means the Parthian shot will be even more useless when I reach their colonies as I'll deploy satellites of Mounted-PD and seekers. Planets can't run away from a satellite cloud!

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Of course, if you change the rules until you even it out, you will always win. In such a small map, you can't keep the enemy at range, you eventually get cornered. Not very realistic though. If you have to change the rules to win, it's not good in my book.

10MT warp points would only be used in cases of tonnage per turn, but obviously this hasn't been implemented. If it were, and varying sizes of warp points were common, then the size of a warp point in a key position could have a large impact on the game.

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well...it does that in FQM
A few too many 500 kt warpoints for my taste...How do i move around all them carriers? My inner systems are pretty much conected to the outer ones by the 500 kt warpoints...Where do my dreadnaughts go?

I'm running BM1.04 with FQM included and as far as I can tell warp point size is mere descriptive text and nothing else. I send big ships through little warp points all the time with no adverse effects.

I'm very curious about this too.... Does this explain why my ships are consistently damaged by some warp points? Because the ships are to big to 'fit' through them???

That would be a very cool feature, but potentially very unbalancing if not fairly distributed on a map.

Javaslinger...

p.s. my please for a early release of the patch go unanswered... sad.....

SO FYRON LIED TO ME!!!!!
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Fyron does not lie. Fyron is never wrong, therefore Fyron is incapable of lying.

Suction feet are not to be trifled with!

In a huge combat map with long time limit, I'd stop my fleet and sit still. They cannot touch me, I cannot touch them, if they're dumb enough to turn around and try to get closer, they die. When you constantly get draws, the one who is advancing towards an enemy colony is advantageous (especially given ammo/supply consumption ratios). The Parthian shot would be unreliable for trying to attack a well defended colony with.

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You just forget one thing : Not everyone babysit their fleet like you do (and some game modes don't even allow it). The problem comes when you let your fleets fight on automatic. If you control them yourself, the result are quite different (i could not pull an effective parthian shot while controling the ships manually). And the fact it's not effective against planets don't change the fact that some players use this to cripple AI fleets.