SEV: v1.19 Changelog

Just following this one not making comment

Edit has Kwock chewed through his chain again BTW

This one is full of nice looking UI improvements, and I get the feeling more are to come in the next few patches. It makes me happy

And when I saw that Kwok wasn't the one that posted this, I was simply amazed

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Give me atmopshperic manipulation cannons, or give me death!

What about fixing the ground combat bug where "enemy" sats, mines and drones are kept in cargo and cause the battle to be refought at the end of every turn till they are manually destroyed by the player (this means hacking into AI races to do it)

I was still at work when the beta was posted.

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Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod

Great, I was looking forward to that fleet selection thing! I have one UI thing left on my wishlist now, that pressing ESC closes enlarged images first and the windows below second, but that's really a minor thingie now

That fleet removal UI update is helpful... but I really hope that same screen will show the damage % against each ship in that fleet! Otherwise it's still necessary to examine each ship for damage levels (click-heavy) or learn the names of damaged ships from the fleet summary screen and come back!

I like what I see for the new chanages. I agree with MisterBenn about being able to see the damage % of the ships in a fleet at one glance [like SE:IV did], after a battle I like to seperate the most damaged ships and send them back for repair while bringing forward reinforcements.

The retrofit upgrade makes me all giggle (just kidding, but I am glad for that )

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On the Ui front, I really would like an option in the Ship Design window that allowed me to see all my ship and unit designs, rather than seperating them.

Is it going to fix the MP problem where a player's research, etc gets changed somehow in turn processing? All those fixes look pretty minor.

I think in general the first waves of bugs fixed were "severe bugs which are quick to fix", and this patch seems to mainly consist of remedies for "smaller annoyances which are quick to fix".

There are definitely more severe bugs or gameplay issues than some of those fixed in 1.18/9, but such things as producing a fog of war system so that players and the AI can still see colonies they previously visited (and dealing with making the AI use that information well) will presumably take quite a while to develop... if Aaron worked for 4 weeks on a patch and it had just one such bug fixed, I suspect the general community would be furious! He's in the unenviable position of displeasing some people whichever way he priorities the work. We just have to be reassured that he's chewing through the issues at a fair pace, and at some point all our niggles are likely to be addressed.

I have a lot of sympathy for Aaron. I've only been into the SE series since IV, but that game was (is) clearly a labour of love... I've never seen a game supported and patched for so long after release, or done so in tandem with community feedback to the same extent. Someone who takes that amount of care over supporting his code is not someone who willingly releases partially complete software - it's clear to me that it was the publisher's decision. All Aaron can do is keep working on it full tilt and keep the improvements rolling in. I hate to think how he must feel when he reads the reams of harsh criticism that SE5 attracted over the months since its release!

SOOOOOO, how big can Heavy Carriers get now???

I still have hope that patches can make it a great game.

Patch by patch we'll get there. I think the support is great for that game (If you don't beleive me go check on the Oblivion forum). Can't wait for the multiplayer fix!

Live by the sword, die by the sword...

Amazing how many smaller problems are there that some people dont even notice. I was hopping for bigger changes, especially in the AI departament, but the GUI changes are wellcome. Any estimated release date yet?

I have seen no mention of any fix for the game save and game load bugs in the 1.18 and 1.19 changelog. Which by any definition must be considered a serious ommission. The only other non major bugs I have encounterd that have not been mentioned anywhere else to my knowledge is I built some satellites in space and they ended up outside of the hexes. Now I can not do anything with them. Thet just hang there just off the edge of the system. Also while building new designs. When you higlight the ship mount button to mount heavy weapons you can not unclick is as an option if you want to put a smaller weapon of the same type on board. You have to put them on first then the weapons using ship mounts. I did encounter astrange glitch when my fleet ended up with two icons on the system display but I managed to get them to recombine.

What save load bugs?

Err there is a really obvious way out of the heavy mount thing, its so obvious you will kick yourself (I know I did) when I figured it out... Click on "NONE" at the top of the box.

Several people have reported through this group that occasionally, especially as the game progresses that a load error is reported while loading a game save. You can usually get round it by loading an earlier save then loading the one you want inside the game. Somone even put a screen shot with their report. It usally happens after a problem when you exit the program generating an fault.
The save game bug is rarer again you try to save the game and you get a failure message. Usually to get round this I take another turn and try again. If that fails I take another turn but with autosave turned on. To avoid these problems altogether its probably best to exit the game after a few turns and then reload or reboot the PC.
Thanks for the heavy mount idea I have not had chance to try it yet as yes you guessed it my machine is failing to load game saves at the moment. Time for a reboot.

Yes Please!

Damage percentage on side and experience points on the other.

There is room for both on the screen.

(and is there any place to see the experience points of a Fleet?)

My Save game bug post. Very random, very unpredictable. Prevents auto-save from working. Haven't tried to continue playing and see if it corrects itself. Don't want to lose that much progress if it doesn't.

So, if more detail could be added to the error message it might help identify the root cause.

Upgraded Frigate, which included a level 2 crew quarter. Now the Frigate reports no crew and is moving at half speed. Light Carriers are similarly affected (0 crew and half speed). Space Stations, Colony ships, and Destroyers are not affected. That is the extent of my tech in this game.

It's good to see #16 is fixed.

-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

I may be mistaken, but I'm fairly sure that almost every save/load bug has been traced to older version damaged save files, and recreating with the new version seemed to fix the issue. If it's a case of "I want my old stuff to load anyway, damaged or not", I don't think that's a realistic expectation.

Upgrading Life Support is the most common way to realise you have 0 crew on your ship, hence half movement etc. Go sit the ship on top of a colony with the correct race to replenish after 1 turn.

Unfortunatly It isn't quite that simple Psieye, I have had this happen to me when upgrading ships at my homeworld when it has been full to the gills with my own population, and no one elses. I have also had it happen on worlds that where populated with my own people. And as final proof that this isn't the only reason this happens I have had ships upgrade fine at worlds that didn't have any of my own race on them.....

Back wards compatibility always difficult and most games or for that mater other applications will have issues with it. Personally I find not being able to carry on with to be mildly irritating but to be an acceptable loss if the Patch significantly improves game play either by adding features or correcting bugs.

-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

When the "Y" (sentry) option will stop behaving randomly ?

Sometimes you can use it , sometimes you can't .
Sometimes using it on fleet effects all the ships , sometimes none.

Also another strange thing I saw is a parts of the fleet goes "separate ways" after retreat without ability to "assemble" them together later.
Especially strange when it happens to fighters that after that start to "travel" the map without problem.

Another thing is ships "entering" inside planets during tactical combat run on automate - happens very often with fighters.

If "location" have both minefield and ships then combat quickly starts and then ends without enemy if their ship died on mines.
Also if "minefield triggered" it would be nice to see in report how many mines "lost" and how many left.

And another thing - disassembly of captured enemy ships does not gives anything even if that ships full of unknown components.

They may or may not be the actual case, but from my experience the only reason I've had ships not go on sentry is when there are ships/fighters/satellites/drones in the system that are not mine, even if I can't see them. If so, it's kind of a "cheat" to determine if someone has some ships there either outside your sensor range or cloaked (IMHO anyway), but it's a why.

-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

I don't think its being random. Sentry simply tells a ship "stay put untill you see an enemy ship, then cancel sentry and proceed with all other orders in your que". If there are enemy vessels in the system, then sentry won't work.... or rather, it works exactly as designed and won't activate.
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I say it is random, yes I noted that ship tends more not to go to Sentry mode if system is not fully yours but sometimes it is yours and it won't and sometimes it is not and it goes so there is a bug there.
Also I think it should explain the reason when refusing in a pop box.
Again, do not forget the fleet related part of the bug.

Speaking of which there is a problem with Ctrl-E (upgrade) ship command - it tells you when you can't upgrade ship because there is a cargo on it, but in any other case if it fails it does nothing.
Also if multiply ships selected and you issue Ctrl-E and then select new ship destign to upgrade to it fails without reason.

Another thing: I noticed that sometimes when you update it first time it add a huge number like if you called it "Begimoth" it makes it "Begimoth 7644555" ond the first update and then on the second continue properly "Begimoth 7644555 I" , "Begimoth 7644555 II" etc ...
And sometimes work properly from the beginning "Begimoth I" , "Begimoth II" ...

I think it somehow related to not selecting ship design type but can' be sure...

See the v1.18 log and 1.19 log above (which aren't yet publically available) - some of these bugs have been fixed. Most notably, "Analyse Components" and retrofitting many ships at once.

you have to changes design names i data with "I" at the end - then game will assume the next roman number instead of random 962398428354852

I'm hoping some more stuff is done to speed up the dreadfully long turn processing.

capnq

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lol it takes like 10-20 sek to end turn, maybe time to get a new computer...

10-20 seconds would be AWESOME. I'm at 2404.2 in my current game, and a turn takes 7 minutes. At least it can be run in window'd mode so that I can do other things while I am waiting for it.

One thing I'd like is the ability to set the resolution of the windowed mode window. I have a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, and I'd easily like the window to be 1280x1024 or so, especially for combat purposes.

running it in a window especially if you are doing other things may actually make things worse rather than better as you have only got one set of hardware running multiple applications. The game also behaves poorly if alt tabbed in and out off

Null space weapons don't use mounts!? After all that reseearch...

Neither does any Missle. This makes them IMO useless as other weapons get the range benfit. So the only reason to use missles is to stagger the weapon fire rates. I can do this with energy weapons. rebalance the game by giving missles the weapon mount ability. Please? OK?

Pick a component any component and view the report while a weapon mount is selected. Its stats are modified per the weapon mount. Not a biggie just thought you oughta know.

Where's my reward? I colonized a planet with ruins and was told of great new technical achievements (sort-of) but got nothing, bupkiss, nada, squat. If I failed to make my saving throw (typical) then don't tell me I have achieved greatness. Instead tell me the ruins revealed nothing new or something. Now why did this happen? I assume it is because I boosted the computer players. Fine, DON'T take away my ability to benefit from the ruins. They got their boost now I want mine! This happened twice and I got nothing twice. If the computer is so smart then why didn't they colonize these planets? Gimme!

So the AI boost wore off and now they are no challenge. It is so easy for me now to walk all over them that I just use this game version to try new things like the Null weapons. So while I am researching this, what are they doing? Begging for food that's what. They have no ability to support themselves. Sorry, just a little tirade. I really do love the game and appreciate all you guys have done, are doing! Now if I can just get this brown stuff off my nose...

-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

My 2 cents about the turn performance and this is not to brag! I am at turn 2427.3 with a large Universe. My turns take ~1 minute. So I am sure this has to do with CPU and Video performance. I play at 2048x1536 and would play at a higher resolution but the game apparently does not support it. I task switch regularly. I play streaming audio with Winamp while playing. I have a Logitech G15 keyboard. It has an LCD which is constantly being updated by a background process. This LCD includes the CPU usage, which can be seen to be less than 50% most of the time and infrequently up to 75% during turn processing.

My system specs:
Intel 6700 dual core 2.67G
2G RAM
640 G HD in Raid 0 mode (dual 320's)
Dual nVidia 7900 GTX SLI (512M each)

-my "Ministers are more sinister than Ministers... But who cares?"

I'm on 2405.1 large diamond and it takes 2-5 minutes depending on if there is combat or not.

Presario 900Mhz AMD, 256MB, Radieon 7000, 98SE. 20GB partion for SEV, 4GB for 98SE, on a plain 120GB drive without DMA.

Quite a nice idea... but I wonder: How do I replenish my deepspace Starbase after having had a retrofit?