Migration question

Its really quite simple

What is happeneing is that one of the races you have an imigration deal with has an imigration deal with this other race. So in effect its like a French person imigrating to the UK getting UK citizenship and using this to imigrate to Germany, even though France has no Imigration deal with Germany.

What's the upside in migration? why do I want another race on my planets?

I do not like the way foreign migration is set up. Sign one treaty and you open the back door to all. Of course this may just be my Harvester-Migration phobia rearing its' ugly head...

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Shazbot!

Migration (for races that breath other atmospheres) is brilliant for you, it means that you can now treat those planets as breathable colonies. Just make sure you have none of your population on them (spacing is a nice easy way to do this) and let the new guys move in. They will be just as loyal as your own race and open up all sorts of new planets for you to take full advantage of.

Can you move them around just like cargo, Uh I mean like your own population?

yup, you can do anything you can do with your own population with them. They will even migrate around your empire themselves for you (when there are enough on the planet to have 1m population spare to migrate).

They will only migrate to planets where they can breath the atmosphere though. This can be encouraged by spacing your population and getting rid of the domed cities (do this at 1 colony per turn, if you do too many then then it will take a few turns for all colonies to be re-populated). This will only work whilst you have the migration treaty, or have a planet with a couple of 100million on it.

Be warned that one-way migration treaties don't function, and actually are the same as two-way ones, so all the AIs will get all of your people, too.

How do custom abilities work with migrated colonies? like racial traits will they just take on your ratial traits or could they have mining aptitude or be builders and get +10% Space Yards?

As far as I am aware they loose those abilities and gain those of your empire. Boring I know but so much easier for the game to work out (and a lot less cheesy)

What!

That's as bad as the planetary bombardment treaty "feature".

Huh? I personally really like that feature as it gives me access to more races, potentaily different atmosphere breathing races.

If you don't like a race just space them. I do it to my own people all the time

There really should be a severe morale penalty for spacing millions of people. It would be hard for a government to disguise an action like that on such a scale (soylent green?).

I try to pick up excess people on transports when taking down domes, but I often wind up spacing a few excess millions that wont fit in the cargo pods (I typically use troop transport frigates which only hold 90 million or so). There is no penalty in the game for doing so, and not much benfit to inceasing population on a given planet most of the time.

In other space opera games (Moo2 for example) population is the engine that drives your empire, but in SE5 it just seems to be another number without much meaning.

Cunnilingus and Psychiatry have brought us to this...

Tony Soprano [/i]The Sopranos

Some mods make population count for a LOT -- as things stand, the pop bonuses just aren't SANE. You get relativly small difference between 1 million and 4 billion workers, for example.

Most of my mods (none released... working on a decent SEV one though) have the construction set up so every couple million people gives 1 percent construction/resources, with the result that large colonies are a necessity.
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Rilbur, sounds very good.

I love the idea of that but am too lazy to type in that many entries

I tend to make a handful of megahaulers (50-60,000 KT min cargo space) and use those to remove the pop from planets with immigrants of differing atmospheres. I tend to dump all the excess of my pop onto sphereworlds to speed them up a tiny bit.

I love getting a migration treaty early and with organics and the clone facilities I can grow huge populations fast... means I get twice as many green colonies early on without waiting 95 turns (+ 8-12 for building time) to get those reds to go green

Granted against the AI it's massive overkill since just the few greens I run across in the area I claim can usually blow the AI away even on high/high Monoliths forever!!! lol

I'm lazy as hell to... therefore, I wrote a nice little program that writes it all for me. It isn't quite pretty -- I didn't bother with making it remove spaces so the := all line up neatly -- but it works.

Give me the numbers you want, and I'll write the program for you too... better yet, I'll dig it up and make it a little better so you can put the numbers in yourself

Just have to figure out how to turn it into a releaseable program, my C++ class hasn't handled that so I've usually let codwarrior run the code for me... (I'm reasonably certain the .exe it creates can't be run without codewarrior, though I may be wrong).

Or, heck, I'll just post the code here and let someone else compile it... soooo many options, so little time
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There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

#include <iostream>
#include <fstream>

using namespace std; //introduces namespace std

int main ( void )
{
	int pop, bonus1, bonus2, maxPop;
	int counter=1;
	cout << "I'm a lazy SoB, so I'm not giving you a lot here.  Enjoy what you have.  FYI, I tend to enter '20', '1', '1', resulting in 1 percent production per 20 population, resulting in 4 billion people giving 100% (I. E. 'normal' production)."<<endl<<endl;;
	cout << "Please enter the increment by which you want population to increase.  E. G. 20 will cause the population ammount to increment by 20, so you will have 19, 39, 59, etc etc as pop values."<<endl;
	cin >> pop;
	cout << "OK, value entered, we're cooking now!  Please give me the number, per population increment (entered above), that resource production should be modified."<<endl;
	cin >> bonus1;
	cout << "OK, value entered, we're cooking now!  Please give me the number, per population increment (entered above), that ship yard production should be modified."<<endl;
	cin >> bonus2;
	cout << "OK, one final question:  How many increments do you desire?  You can have however many you want, so be sure you don't enter a number in excess of your needs, or your computers ability to handle."<<endl;
	cin >> maxPop;
	cout << "OK, depending on the number you gave me, this MAY take a while."<<endl;
	char dummy;
	dummy=cin.get();
	char classNameStr[50];
	ofstream saver;
	cout << "Oh, I nearly forgot!  Give me a filename to save the data into: ";
	cin.getline(classNameStr,'\n');
	saver.open(classNameStr,ios::out);
	saver << "Number Of Population Modifiers                                        := "<<maxPop<<endl;
	while (counter<maxPop){
		saver << "Pop Modifier "<<counter<<" Population Amount                                      := "<<counter*pop-1<<endl;
		saver << "Pop Modifier "<<counter<<" Production Modifier Percent                            := "<<counter*bonus1<<endl;
		saver << "Pop Modifier "<<counter<<" SY Rate Modifier Percent                               := "<<counter*bonus1<<endl;
		counter++;
	}
	cout << "I'm done!"<<endl;
	return 0;




}

BTW, give me your E-Mail address and I'll mail you a copy of the finished program -- I *think* I know how to do that. Unfortuantly, I have no way to test to see if it will run on a system that doesn't happen to have codewarrior installed.
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There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.