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Home » news » forums » Space Empires V » Space Empires V General

A future Idea... Generals, Admirals, galactic provinces...

Submitted by antirelic on Tue, 2006-10-24 08:41. Space Empires V General

I am not sure how many of you have ever played games like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, especially ROTK VIII.

For those of you who have, then you probably already understand where I am going, for those of you who do not, then I will explain.

I think SEV is just awesome (short of some bugs, which will be fixed). The only thing missing is a personalization usually represented by NPC type characters. Each of these NPC characters have traits and abilities that make them usefull to an empire in different ways. For example, a Character may be a great fighter pilot (giving his ship amazing combat bonuses), another may be an Admiral (provides fleet bonuses), another may not be good in combat, but is excellent at governing a star system, or perhaps is a great spy and/or diplomat (increases intelligence, or increases the ability for a treaty to go through)....

These generals could also act as individual ministers for governing planets (generals could give bonuses to mineral, organic, refining, ship production, unit production, population happiness... etc), governing systems (generals with abilities to give system wide bonuses that enhance multiple planets), or govern multiple star systems (sets policies that are specific to certain, artificially designed star systems, etc..).

These governers can be assigned fleets (which they are responsible for positioning, moving, and retro-fitting, as directed, of course). The governors can also be assigned lists of "what to do" and "what not to do", depending on what roll they play (for exmaple, a planetary governer can be told not to build a certain type of facility, while a system governer can be told not to attack adjacent enemy sectors).

On top of all of that, you could also build in personal relationships between generals to determine how well they work together, and how loyal they are to your empire. These generals can be assigned with certain tasks (such as colonizing a new star system, or bringing war to a nearby enemy), or can be ordered to simply train and improve their abilities.

Anyway, long tirade over. I dont think the game really needs to be changed, but if I had a wish list, this would really be the only thing.

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WIBN

Submitted by Rilbur on Tue, 2006-10-24 09:39.

That falls into "wouldn't it be nice"... and that sounds like it would be a micro-management nightmare.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Opposite of Micro

Submitted by antirelic on Tue, 2006-10-24 10:08.

Actually, you can assign your governors to work without direct input. Yes, WIBN. Smiling If you ever get a chance, try out ROTK VIII, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Um, what is ROTK VIII?

Submitted by Rilbur on Tue, 2006-10-24 11:00.

I tried a google search, all I got was a buncha books.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Romance of the Three

Submitted by antirelic on Tue, 2006-10-24 11:39.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII. Its for PS2 not PC, unfortunately (unless you can get a ROM/Emulator).

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/strategy/romanceofthe3kingdoms8/index.html

You can google "Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII", but I doubt that you will find anything that does this game justice, just like if you googled "Space Empires", you will find pretty aweful reviews of the game (considering most reviewers are as close to neolithic cave men only impressed by "fast action and intense graphics"... the same jack-asses that said Doom III was actually a good game). Anyway.

The main reason I would recommend you check it out, because the way that politics, diplomacy, and the way NPC's are handled is ideal for a game like Space Empires. Since Space Empires is a turn based game that deals heavily in modifiers, and overall strategy (not simply military strategy), the way NPC's are implimented would work for SE:V, and work well for people who are interested in SE:V.

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PS2? eeeew

Submitted by Rilbur on Tue, 2006-10-24 11:47.

The subject says it all Laughing out loud

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hater

Submitted by antirelic on Tue, 2006-10-24 12:30.

No, I know how much of a fluke it is, but this is actually a great strategy game. Its amazing that it is on PS2, but you have to remember, that this game is now at version 12, hence it came out during the time of regular nintendo... back when computer games didnt have graphics yet, and console games did. Smiling

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*Coughs* Moo2 Your lord and

Submitted by LordHavoc on Tue, 2006-10-24 15:37.

*Coughs* Moo2

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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Yeah... I remember Moo2...

Submitted by antirelic on Tue, 2006-10-24 15:47.

What a great game that was. SE replaced my love for Moo after Moo3 -> "the tradgedy". I'd love to see some NPC action in future SE's, maybe SE:VI Laughing out loud

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I really don't like the idea

Submitted by Moonsword on Tue, 2006-10-24 15:48.

I really don't like the idea of bringing that level of RPG-ness into the core game. A mod, maybe, but not the core game. It's an interesting concept but not one that I'd care to see in every game I play.

Also, this would probably be a pain in the neck to code in, bring in more bugs, and require new interface art.

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Modding it in

Submitted by AngleWyrm on Tue, 2006-10-24 16:29.

Anyone know if it's possible to have cargo give a ship an ability?

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Long ago, there was a game

Submitted by Trajan on Tue, 2006-10-24 16:37.

Long ago, there was a game called Star Empires by TSR. I never really got into it, being that it was a lot of paperwork, but it had one thing that interested me.

It had a flow chart of events. You rolled a die, and went along the chart. IIRC, you could influence it somewhat, but there was also an inevitability about it. For instance, your empire might fall into stagnation (no more new colonies, research stops, wars stop, etc.), then later decadence, (wasting resources), then maybe later it becomes expansive, ( you must take an enemy colony every so many turns.), and if you fail, you suffer a coup and then launch a war of agression.

I like the idea of provincial governors. Maybe one of them gets an itch to become Emperor. I like the idea of rulers along the lines of Europa Universalis II with some Annals of Rome thrown in. ( That's what I get for reading about the Ottoman Empire as well as the Romanov dynasty.

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Uhm, again, that's rather

Submitted by Moonsword on Tue, 2006-10-24 17:28.

Uhm, again, that's rather different from the Space Empires series to date. Very, very different. I don't want to have to wonder whether or not my government in the game is doing what I told it to. I especially don't want to be wondering whether or not factions within my government are looking to knock me off.

Space Empires has never been about the internal politics of a society but about its expansion and development as an interstellar power. I'd kind of like it to stay that way.

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Unit Capabilities

Submitted by Noble713 on Tue, 2006-10-24 21:00.

Yes. Look in the vehicleunittypes.txt file:

Unit Capabilities
---Abilities Added To Parent When In Cargo

Simply create a new unit type called Generals/Characters/whatever, make it similar to ground troops in most respects except it has the above unit capability. Then make a bunch of units to vehiclesizes.txt with specific abilities built-in.

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Oh

Submitted by Rilbur on Tue, 2006-10-24 21:48.

LordHavoc wrote:
*Coughs* Moo2

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

Oh, he's describing something along those lines? N/M, I was thinking of something more MoO3ish...

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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different strokes

Submitted by antirelic on Wed, 2006-10-25 07:14.

Moonsword wrote:
I really don't like the idea of bringing that level of RPG-ness into the core game. A mod, maybe, but not the core game. It's an interesting concept but not one that I'd care to see in every game I play.

Also, this would probably be a pain in the neck to code in, bring in more bugs, and require new interface art.

Hrm. I dunno. Different strokes for different folks. It would be nice to have multiple players work for the same empire though...

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Here here, if one of my

Submitted by LordHavoc on Thu, 2006-10-26 15:03.

Here here, if one of my administrators was plotting against me i'd hire my intellegence department to 'make him dissappear'. In other words, i'd have him/her shoved into a drone capsule and fire him at the nearest meat eating war mongering race of giant lizards or something.

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

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I played ROTTK

Submitted by Jagzeplin on Sat, 2007-02-03 12:51.

I played it along time ago and thought it was awesome but i had to return it and at the time i was too young to buy my own games.

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also

Submitted by Jagzeplin on Sat, 2007-02-03 12:59.

if ur into the provincial governor idea (a great idea in my book) try out Hearts of Iron. Im currently playing HOI2:Doomsday and its awesomesauce. PS. MOO2 had leaders like this so i dont think it would be all that hard but then again this game is already got enough issues w/o adding even more complication to the mix

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Re: A future Idea... Generals, Admirals, galactic provinces...

Submitted by kanaric on Sat, 2007-02-03 13:41.

Romance of the Three Kindoms (most recent being 10 on PS2) is an AWESOME series, i would recommend it to all.

Also any paradox interactive games... i think their site is forum.paradoxplaza.com or something like that. Every one of their games are excellent, but my preference is:

1. Victoria (revolutions)
2. HOI2 (doomsday)
3. EU series
in brackets is the name of the version you would buy if you were to get it now.

Victoria is their most complex, yet most fun game. You can industrialize a nation, populations, politics, and government are important in the game. I love turning countries like Peria or Argentina into a democratic nation friendly to immigrants and turning into a superpower. Very fun game.

HOI2 is a war simulator, lots of action. It has more complex and FAR better combat than Victoria but FAR less domestic/political control.

EU in its current form is from 1454-late1700s. Its a fun game but their most simple.

edit: I wouldn't recommend playing Victoria as your first paradox game, is has a steep learning curve. If you do you will need to go to their forums and go to the wiki (vicky wiki) and do the tutorial, that helped me learn. They have a wiki + tutorial for all of their games.

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Re: A future Idea... Generals, Admirals, galactic provinces...

Submitted by msnevil on Sat, 2007-02-03 18:22.

I always thought The Human was a absolute dictator in the SE's series. To add personality to it, would make it more into a Galatic political sim with 4x added as a after thought. Sorta like the GC series of games. (Good\neutral\evil, Political votes, Ethical decisions, etc.)

Perhaps Galactic conquest is a game you should seek.

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Re: A future Idea... Generals, Admirals, galactic provinces...

Submitted by Lastdreamer on Sat, 2007-02-03 19:32.

I think that have captain, generals, admirals, and other "heroes" would be great, I love a little RPG touch in this games... a little like the Total War series, but maybe not so in-depth...

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Re: Unit Capabilities

Submitted by Shrike on Sun, 2007-02-04 05:43.

I don't think was going for a mass-produced general like solution Smiling

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