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Tholians Finished

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Submitted by Azmedaj on Thu, 2007-10-25 03:49. Space Empires V General

The Tholian Assembly is now available:

http://home.spaceempires.net/shipyards-details-79-Tholian_Assembly.html

They're the last of the major powers in the Star Trek Universe, and I'll be taking some time off shipset making after this one. I do plan on doing more, but don't expect anything on the frequency I released these past 7 with.

The next ones I make will likely be TOS, as I have some excellent Federation and Romulan TOS meshes that I'd love to make into sets. Other than that maybe some of the smaller trek races, such as the Kazon and Talarians.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Qcontinuum on Thu, 2007-10-25 05:25.

Again thank you for your excellent work!

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Nicky21 on Thu, 2007-10-25 07:22.

can i ask you a small favor? can you please convert the nebula starship too? I plan on using instead of the ambassador in one of my games. it makes for a perfect research ship / stelar manipulations!

If you need have several model sources with the ship, but so far i haven't been able to find a converter so i can do it myself.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Antarian on Thu, 2007-10-25 14:07.

Gorgeous - but the main ship colour is supposed to be a firey lava red-yellow, not blue. Can you post an alternate ship set with this? (use the race portrait for colour clues)

Thanks!!

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Azmedaj on Thu, 2007-10-25 15:20.

Well, what the colors are 'supposed' to be are up for debate...

TOS had one Tholian episode, and the ship did appear with a red hue. But in the three Tholian appearances in Enterprise, their ships were a steel gray with blue highlights.

...And then of course there's the Klingon Academy theme of Blue hull and Orange highlights, all with a crystal texture.

However, Enterprise remains the only reasonably modern and canon reference for Tholian design, and since they also use color themes closer to TNG on that show (such as the Romulan BOP being green rather then the TOS light gray) I decided to use that as my color palette. Also, Atrocities STM for SE4 used the blue rather than red, so if nothing else there's an argument for consistency.

I am planning on doing TOS sets though, and I'll certainly consider releasing another Tholian set with the TOS red theme.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Deer on Thu, 2007-10-25 16:32.

I'm not advanced in Tholians, but I like this set.
Which TOS sets do you plan? You have given us 7 Star Trek sets within a few time!

Only missing Borg...
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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Azmedaj on Thu, 2007-10-25 18:20.

I'm hoping to do Federation, Klingon, and Romulan TOS. (not necessarily in that order)

After that I'll get back to TNG minor races with the Sheliak Corporate, and the Talarian Republic. The rest: Kazon, Pakled, Tamarian, Hirogen, and Son'a are light on available meshes, and I haven't decided if they're worth converting into full shipsets. I might just release a large pack of neutral races with portraits and flags...

We'll see what happens, nothing is set in stone.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Faithful on Thu, 2007-10-25 19:10.

Thank you for all your hard work. The game and community are better because of it.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Arpeegy on Fri, 2007-10-26 17:33.

Your ship designs are awesome. So what does the SEV community have to do to get you to make Babylon 5 race ships? Earth Alliance, Minbari, Centauri, and Narn would be sweet.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Jerseyboy381 on Fri, 2007-10-26 22:38.

Now someone has to use these great shipsets to make a nice trek mod.

Oh, and the ships should be red. Every true trekkie knows enterprise doesn't count... or at least it shouldn't.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Azmedaj on Sat, 2007-10-27 00:27.

Well, here's one "true trekkie" that thinks it counts, for ship lineage and design theme anyway...the continuity is completely bunk though (so is Voyager's for that matter, but thats an argument for another day).

I've watched every single Star Trek episode from every series (including TAS), and I practically grew up on TNG...my parents only let me watch one show a week when I was growing up, and I picked Star Trek. I own all the films, the tech manuals, the encyclopedia, and I have a rather large shelf filled with Star Trek models that I've assembled and hand painted. Long story short, I love my Star Trek (Excluding Voyager and Enterprise) which is the reason I made these sets.

Now that that's out of the way, back to the colors... All of the sets that I've made have been with the intention of being in the same time period; that being late TNG/DS9. This was so that they could all be used together without clashing, and potentially be combined into a mod someday.

So, why not red? One very simple reason: No empire from TOS has ever used the same design aesthetic since that series. With every other Star Trek race changing colors between TOS and TNG, history tells us that TNG era Tholians should sport a different color theme than the original ship seen 100 years earlier.

Say what you will about Enterprise's writing, but their VFX team used the TNG colors almost exclusively on every reappearing race. So, when the Tholians show up with blue and gray it's rather natural to assume that these are also the colors intended to be used on TNG era ships.

This is a TNG set, not a TOS set, and I'm not going to make them red. As I said, I'll consider a TOS set for the future, but for now this is what you get.

And that's all I have to say about that. Sticking out tongue

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Deer on Sat, 2007-10-27 05:13.

Nowadays I have watched old ST movies. I like them better than new ones. On December 2008 the Star Trek XI movie will come. I am corious about this.

So I will happy if you make some TOS sets (mainly Federation).
Frigate maybe Daedalus class
Destroyer: Oberth class
Light Cruiser: Hermes class or (Saladin)
Cruiser: Constitution class
Battleship: Federation class
Dreadnaught: no idea
Freighter: Antares
Carrier: no idea
Fighter: maybe shuttles
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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Azmedaj on Sat, 2007-10-27 12:25.

I prefer the originals too, 7 and 8 were good, but 9 was a disappointment, and I really didn't like 10. As for the new movie...who knows, a completely new creative team could either screw it up or strike gold.

But, back on topic...

I have more than enough Federation ships for stock + small/large freighters, light/heavy carriers, a baseship, corvette, and battle cruiser. No Oberth though, that's a TMP design...

I do wish there was something in star trek more analogous to a weapon platform though. For all my sets I've been having to pass off other things as WP's; upside down spacestations, satellites, or chopping off random bits of other models. The Gorn WP was the drive section of another ship that I pointed into the ground...

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by obliwobly on Sat, 2007-10-27 14:55.

I like them blue !

isopsyco's Vulcans are already red anyway, well mostly, and your Ferengi.

Nice work, and thankyou.

I notice they have 'stock' beside them so does that mean you can only use them with a stock game ? Or will they work with BM or uAI mods as well ?

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Dvoongar on Sun, 2007-10-28 05:48.

Azmedaj wrote:
I do wish there was something in star trek more analogous to a weapon platform though. For all my sets I've been having to pass off other things as WP's; upside down spacestations, satellites, or chopping off random bits of other models. The Gorn WP was the drive section of another ship that I pointed into the ground...

There are plenty of ground units in STNW. Might be able to adapt something for a WP.

Of course that only covers Fed, Klingon, & Romulan. Here's the wiki on that dud, in case you missed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Worlds

Thanks again for your good work.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Taospark on Sun, 2007-10-28 19:50.

Yeah, I think there are entire websites devoted to the plot holes in Star Trek continuity through the years but moreso on topic, what about using the models from Starfleet Command III which have Next Generation or later series ships (or the earlier games which feature Original Series ships)?

It was a fairly nice game and had some good graphics work for its time and budget.

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Re: Tholians Finished

Submitted by Fyron on Mon, 2007-10-29 00:08.

The models for the trek sets are largely from SFC and community sources.


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