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There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Tue, 2007-09-04 15:35. Space Empires V General

Last turn I timed it with a stop watch. It took 19 seconds to calculate all the the computer turns...

And then it took 2 minutes and 29 seconds for all my ships to fly through their various locations...

I already set them to go at max speed (so I didn't actually NOTICE where each was because they were going too fast). but this is still FAR FAR too slow...

Is there a way to make it not animate the warping sequence on autopilot, or even better, not center the screen on moving ships (just move all of them, at once!).

This is seriously delaying my game here, I am not having fun waiting for 3 minutes after every turn... not because the computer isn't fast enough (because it is plenty fast), but because of silly animations!

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Tue, 2007-09-04 15:47.

Oh, and I might aswell also ask about this:
1. How do I make it NOT display the notification "Nothing was loaded on the ship because it was full" every time a colonize order is given to a trasport already full of people (I have to click through 5 of these a turn thanks to the minister control of colonizers, the minister loads citizens into the ships immediately, then it gives them a colonize order which tries to load citizens again).

I also keep on getting a "ship cannot be retrofitted ... blah blah.. 50% difference" every turn thanks to the retrofit minister... Really annoying...

And is there a way to automate combat? I remember in 1.33 it will crash all the time during quick combat... and the AI would suck...

While I am at it, the retarded diplomacy minister offered a peace accord with a civ that had 5 planets (I have 150) offering to give it ALL my technology... I have level 10 dreadnoughts flying around with uber shields and armor and weapons so that one of them can clear a planet defended by 10 enemy ships (none of the other civs has anything bigger then a frigate), 2 huge bases, 10 satelites, and a all the people and buildings... it requires 0 ordenance, produces all the supplies it could ever need, and would only take armor damage, which it would be able to repair with its level 20 repair yard (yes, I put a repair module in my dreadnoughts! Sticking out tongue)

Where am I going with this? well, is there a way to forbid the deplomacy minister from doing tech trades? cause its logic is obviously shot. (yea, it might be harmless to that civ, but then they go give away all my superior tech to one of the other "superpowers" aka people I haven't subjugated yet and I am in for a tough fight)
And my level 90 research centers are confidential too...

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Tue, 2007-09-04 16:11.

This is unfortunately one of the design flaws of the game. To speed up the movement process you can try changing the "Main System Display Icon Move Speed Points Per Second Very High := 20000.0" setting in Settings.txt ( located in the Data folder inside the SEV main folder, or if you're playing a mod you'll find it in the mod's Data folder ), try changing it to 100000.0 to see if it makes a difference.

You can also switch to Simultaneus Turn mode, although this requires you to start a new game. The game also behaves quite a bit differently in this mode. Personally I would have prefered to play it in this mode if it wasn't for the somewhat longer turn processing times, since the game reloads all data for each turn it processes. On the other hand, you'll certainly gain alot of time compared to having to wait for 3 minutes after turn processing finishes, like you do now. It also lets you skip the warnings I think, although I could be wrong about that.

Don't think there's any way to disable those warning messages as of yet. Nor do I think there's any way to turn off the annoying warp point animations. I'd strongly advice you to download a mod, however, to get a much better experience out of the game. If you just want an improved stock game then try the Balance Mod. Better AI( and thus better ministers, and probably less of those pesky warnings, and no giving away all your tech ), more balanced components, etc.

In short: Download the Balance Mod and try a new game with Simultaneus Mode activated.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Tue, 2007-09-04 16:18.

Thanks... I will try and balance mod as you suggested... I do want to complete this game though. I will try setting the very high speed to a higher number, maybe that will make it playable. Otherwise I would just have to go with a new game under the balance mod.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Tue, 2007-09-04 23:05.

This is interesting.
I added several zeroes but the ships are still moving at the same speed. I think there is some sort of hard cap that they reached...

I did however notice other settings... I turned on multithreading and it is now taking a few seconds less to calculate a turn.

I also set the following:
Retrofit Max Percent Difference in Cost := 100
This will solve the problem of the computer leaving a ship in port and trying, and failing, to retrofit it every single turn, forcing me to click through the unable to retrofit menu... hopefully this will solve the same problem for the AI as well, removing a handicap aswell.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Wed, 2007-09-05 00:08.

Turning off movement lines helps speed up the movement phase.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Wed, 2007-09-05 06:09.

How do I turn them off?

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Wed, 2007-09-05 06:43.

I believe it's covered under display options in the empire options menu.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Wed, 2007-09-05 07:51.

Pretty sure the hard cap is decided by the speed of your CPU, though. It does take a fair bit of CPU power for each hex you travel; the game has to update the sensor-covered area, check for enemies, alter supplies, etc.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by taltamir on Wed, 2007-09-05 07:56.

Mmm, I think you are right, I think it is limited by the CPU.. and it is OH so wasteful.. if I just click F12 then it can calculate it for all my ships in seconds... but when it moves the ship it has to redo so many graphics that it just bogs it down completely. Horrible!

I juess my most wanted feature now is executing existing orders for the turn using a blank screen with a green bar, just like how it executes the AI turn.. and then when its done executing your existing orders, then give you control for the next turn

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Fyron on Wed, 2007-09-05 12:43.

That already exists; its called simultaneous movement mode, selectable when you start a new game.


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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Wed, 2007-09-05 16:12.

Fyron, do you think it would be possible to get Aaron to have a look at the Simultaneous Mode's turn processing system? When you end your turn in this mode now, you'll get the following:

Loading Data Files( 4~ seconds )
Loading Bitmaps( 1/2 second )
Loading Game( 2++ seconds depending on size of save-game etc.)

Processing Turn( Highly variable )

Loading Data Files( 4~ seconds )
Loading Bitmaps( 1/2 second )
Loading Game( 2++ seconds depending on size of save-game etc.)

It should be obvious that there's something wrong here. The Data Files have already been loaded; after all, you're already in the game and playing it. This goes for Bitmaps too. I should think that this also goes for the '(Save-)Game', since, again, you're already in that particular save-game. This process can take quite a while. In fact, in the first, say, 30-40 turns or so, it can actually take longer than the Processing Turn part. When it's finished processing, it reloads the game again, also this time reloading the data files and bitmaps.

I can see how this might be useful for out-of-game processing, for PBW for instance, but it's a big inconvenience when playing solo/single-player Simultaneous Mode games. Is this an issue that has been brought up? I would have thought it an easy matter to resolve, by simply putting in a check to see if the relevant Data Files, Bitmaps and save-game is already in memory.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Thy Reaper on Wed, 2007-09-05 16:21.

There should just be an option added to the section that controls this speed to not animate it at all. Problem solved?

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Fyron on Wed, 2007-09-05 17:41.

Personally, I'd rather not have Aaron spend time making a 3rd version of game processing, when there are lots of other issues and bugs that need to be addressed...


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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Wed, 2007-09-05 18:13.

There's that. I don't know, though. I still think turn processing time is the biggest issue with the game at present, with the possible exception of AI( but modders are far ahead of stock there anyway, and the game should be finished before the AI is polished, I think; with all the small changes being made in this patching process, the AI would have to continually be updated too ). The smaller bugs and issues will annoy the player from time to time as he stumbles into them, but long turn processing will annoy the player *all the time*.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Fyron on Wed, 2007-09-05 19:50.

If you are comparing 6-8 seconds for the extra data file loading and such to 30-60 seconds (or more) of watching ships move around needlessly, doesn't simultaneous movement still come out ahead?


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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Wed, 2007-09-05 20:15.

That's true, but it's only in late-game situations that you'll have such waiting times though, and even these can be avoided by simply not moving dozens of ungrouped units/ships at the same time over long distances. For the first 20-30 turns or so you probably wont even have any waiting times at all.

Anyway, I see your point, it's just that it appears to be a rather minor modification needed to change it. If it was something that required days to change then I definitely wouldn't press the issue, and that's why I wondered if Aaron had said anything about it.

Strange though, that SEV should make the process so complicated, while in SEIV it just processes the turn immediately, without any reloading of resources.

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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Fyron on Fri, 2007-09-07 17:39.

I guess it was a quick fix, because 1.52 has:

14. Fixed - Simultaneous Turn Hot Seat games will no longer reload the graphics and data files each turn.


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Re: There has to be a way to make autopilot moves instantanous.

Submitted by Raapys on Fri, 2007-09-07 18:01.

Yah, just lovely. Only simultaneous mode for me now then. Turn processing will actually be much faster than the other mode, I believe, and you'll avoid the long wait for your ships to finish moving.

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