I'll pay you to spare your life. Deal?

Give him all the Colonys in his one system and stay away form him for about 200 turns might work.However Be warned the Stock AI once angry dosent calm down easly

Also keep the treaty simple, this seems to help a bit

Technically speaking, his anger level is greater than the anger level to accept a treaty. If it were just a few elements that were beyond the anger limit, he would actually put together a counter-proposal. But besides that, there's really no other considerations in the stock script.

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It's because the stock AI scripts are not fully developed.

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One could assume this race is beyond bargining with, they figure you are evil and wont bargin with you no matter what... Or it could just be the screwed up Ai script...

SEV, more than a feeling.

This is actually pretty common in 4X games - the AI almost never takes into account relative strength. In real life, Luxembourg doesn't spit in Bismarck's eye, but the silly 4X game AI's do it all the time. "Realistic" AI would have a suck-up factor that would shift their attitude towards the positive re anybody more powerful than themselves OR their own most powerful ally (ally in the sense of committed by treaty to mutual defense), whichever was greater, proportional to the difference in strength. Thus Luxembourg might just spit in Bismarck's eye if allied to Britain & France (and would be mighty bold if all NATO kept troops stationed in their homeland), but not so much while their own posterior was hanging out in the breeze with no prospect of rescue. In the latter condition, they'ed kiss the man's toe ring and hope he was amused to let them live.

Alpha Centaury has a good AI for that part: Different factions tend to ally with the top factions who hate each other (it's a shame the power formula is flawed) and factions may ask for a surrender pact after a huge loss.

Alpha Centauri is a great game. Kind of makes me mad that it's impossibly hard (expensive) to get ahold of Alien crossfire. (I'm not paying more for the game than when it was first released! you can get it on ebay for something like $150!!!!)

SEV, more than a feeling.

It's a shame multiplayer is so slow in SMACX... otherwise it would really be the best 4X game.

As I said before, the stock AI only references his anger level to make decisions regarding gifts, treaties, etc. There's no modification of this anger level for things like your empire's size or that the gift is very beneficial etc. So you're more or less stuck in your situation and might as well annihilate them.

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Is the key word here "stock" - that the tools are there for AI modding to fix this?

Sorry by give I meant abandon and let him take over, because as you found out once the stock AI gets that angry it wont accept any thing form you. As Captian Kwock said the Basic stock AI is very basic & those of us who play single player a great deal generaly use some sort of mod because of this

The AI is scripted, so it doesn't take much effort to make changes. For example, the Balance Mod AI is a lot more developed in this area of diplomacy.

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I know you dont want to abandon a game that you are invested in, but your best bet is to download the latest version of the Balance Mod and start over. Its fast and easy to do and it is free. Captain Kwok, who you have been talking with on this forum, updates it all the time to make sure it is as fun and good as it can be. Come to the world of Mods JJSE, once here you will never go back.

don't abandon them then, just start yet another in Balance Mod.
(SEV is very friendly in that regard, you can have many many mods with games in all of them, it keeps track of which mod a savegame is using and does it all automatically.)

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an se5a is a ww1 fighter, it is also a car.

If you want to win the AI over. Take it down to the base maths. Remove all the negative effects (ships within 6 hexs, get your colonies out of his system etc)

Try attacking a loosing a few battles with him, send single crappy ships with no weapons.

Then butter him up with gifts every chance you get (I think the turnaround is about 2-3 turns from sending the gift and him accepting/refusing)

Once he starts accepting your gifts, just keep doing it every 2 turns. This will notch his happyness level up little bit at a time.

Hope this helps

Your lord and master (below Foamy) LordHavoc

Hey, you know, I never stopped to appreciate that about the game. It is a pain how Civ4 makes you totally back out of the program to load a mod. You can just go back and forth between Balance Mod game and a Junkyard Wars game if you want to.

There are so many balls in the air in SEV, though, I can hardly see doing more than one single and one multiplayer game at a time...

Note to SE5a:
Hey do I recognise you from other game boards? I play Over Flanders Fields and Silent Hunter III, and i post on their boards and I swear I've seen yout little plane icon somewhere else?

An alternative to giving that occasionally works is selling. If they think they're ripping you off, they'll accept deals for things they won't take for free - unless they're really mad at you.

If you've been the biggest player in the game for very long, diplomacy isn't much of an option. AI's hate humans in the #1 spot.