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Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by javaslinger on Mon, 2007-06-11 16:54. Space Empires V General

So apparently I'm not sure exactly how minefields work... My opponents frigate just passed into and out of a minefield with 36 mines with no effect whatsoever...

And he did not have a minesweeper...

Just how can that happen???

Javaslinger

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by Dvoongar on Mon, 2007-06-11 20:51.

I'm thinking it may be a misapplication of a treaty. If you have a treaty which shares minefield codes and it is being applied to the wrong empire this could happen. Or if the AI has such a treaty with someone else and it's been misapplied to you...

You could use the players menu (default password is "master") and check for this. You might compare treaties, cancel any suspicious treaty, and see if they can still get through the minefield.

I have only used mines in one game, so I don't know what other mine-related bugs may be out there. If it turns out to be a misapplied treaty, I hope you will report it. I have reported misapplied sensor sharing, and the potential of these bugs to spoil an otherwise good campaign is obvious.

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by Orillion on Tue, 2007-06-12 03:08.

I was puzzled too Javaslinger, I left the ship there for another turn to see what happened and it just retreated! It could be that my ship just didn't enter any areas on the combat grid where the mines were placed?! My ship didn't have orders to go through the warp point, so if the mines were located around the warp point and my ship stayed on the edge of the combat zone then it's possibly it didn't go near your mines (I didn't watch the combat relay). In another sector your minefield was successful in destroying one of my other ships.

In some single player games I have layed down minefields to attempt to destroy damaged fighters that just kept running away from my ships, and found that I had to lay a significant number of mines until the fighter couldn't move in the combat grid and I was able to destoy it!

Also, our empires have just met in the game and we do not have any treaties set up.

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by Orillion on Thu, 2007-06-14 04:42.

We have had two more strange incidents where a ship has survived a minefield in this pbw game a turn or two later. In the first, my frigate met one of Javaslinger's Mine Layers and destroyed the mine layer but didn't get destroyed by the minefield it layed in combat. The second, one of Javaslinger's Colonizers came through a warp point where I had over 100 mines and 8 or so Satellites and survived, on the combat replay it didn't move after it came through the warp point and my satellites didn't fire (they had full supplies and ordinance).

Any ideas on why we may be experiencing these problems in the game? We are using the same shipset (as we weren't told before hand that we were, else I would have changed), could this be the problem?

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by se5a on Thu, 2007-06-14 05:39.

Orillion wrote:
We have had two more strange incidents where a ship has survived a minefield in this pbw game a turn or two later. In the first, my frigate met one of Javaslinger's Mine Layers and destroyed the mine layer but didn't get destroyed by the minefield it layed in combat. The second, one of Javaslinger's Colonizers came through a warp point where I had over 100 mines and 8 or so Satellites and survived, on the combat replay it didn't move after it came through the warp point and my satellites didn't fire (they had full supplies and ordinance).

Any ideas on why we may be experiencing these problems in the game? We are using the same shipset (as we weren't told before hand that we were, else I would have changed), could this be the problem?

if a ship launches mines during combat, ships have to run over the mines to be damaged by them.

if a ship moves into an EXSITING minefield then it will show up in combat as 100% damaged. check your replay again, click on the ship and check its damage.

During combat, minefields act totaly different than if a ship moves into a minefield.

if a ship moves into a minefield then it works simular to SEIV.
if a ship encounters a mine layer, which lays mines during the ensuing combat then the attacking ship has to move over the mines to become damaged.

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by Orillion on Thu, 2007-06-14 06:03.

That's how I thought it worked with the mine layer. As to the Colonizer incident, the combat report showed it at 0% damage before and 0% damage after combat, the ship was not at the warp point and I can't confirm whether it was destroyed or not (whether it either continued moving into the same system or went back through the warp point) as I didn't have full sensor coverage of the system.

Maybe my minor tactical give away could prompt Javaslinger to confirm this Colonizer's status?

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by se5a on Fri, 2007-06-15 02:00.

did you check the damage in the replay, or just the report?

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Re: Unscathed by minefield????

Submitted by Orillion on Fri, 2007-06-15 03:11.

I've reviewed the combat replay again and the damage to the colonizer was 100% so I guess it was destoyed but just continued to sit there until the 3 minutes were up (and it did say that the end that both empires survived)!?

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