IRM 0.99 Multiplayer

I'm tired of waiting for the PBW server to get IRM installed and I'm not too happy with being restricted to Simultaneous turns (from what I can see, it's going to severely hamper micromanagement). Personally I'd prefer a 1v1 or 3-way FFA PBEM Sequential Turns game (too many players and it's impossible to publish a write-up as the game progresses because you can only write about events everyone knows of). With a soft max turn-limit of 3 days to cater for unexpected RL occurances that get in the way (if it's PBEM, we can't enforce it automatically so it would be an etiquette thing).

House rules? Only one that comes to mind would be what to do about racial traits - namely Natural Merchants, +Reproduction and +Env Resistance. We could create a separate IRM copy solely for multiplayer use where the Racial Traits costs are changed. Oh and I'm going to insist that IRM folder has my Formations_TaskForces.txt in it, which adds 2 custom formations.

The rest would be down to agreeing upon individual games' settings with the very few opponents you'd have per game.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Well, maybe I would join a non-PBW game after all, if we use Tactical Combat...

I'd love to do Tactical Combat too, but... then it becomes a "attacker gets stupidly high advantage" because Tactical Combat (at least if I'm allowed to touch it) really is that powerful. I mean, I can even do a Parthian Shot with a DUC provided we're at equal max speed and equal max range (and yes, you cannot shoot me back while I do this even though we have equal range). Or there's the full micro possibilities this introduces, such as the "Gattling Meson Blaster chain" where I have 10 Meson Blasters (or anything really) and stagger their shots so I have minimal overkill/downtime.

But anyway, if it's a Sequential Turn game, then there really isn't going to be any difference between PBW and PBEM. There's no AI to wait turns for. We need to 'download files after being notified by email' in both cases. Difference is: we can do Sequential Turn in PBEM and we can get started now (er, after discussing game settings, etc).

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

If game speed is a concern, then even with only 3 players it would be better to do a Simultaneous turns game... since, unless I'm mistaken, in a Sequential turns game you have to wait the previous player make his turn before you can play yours!

Otherwise I would like to play in a Old quadrant - you'll have to adapt to your environment in this kind of qudrant!

I want to join. I'll try pbem, but I don't know how. I just know PBW...

Game speed is a non-issue for me. Seems us 3 have been thinking about an IRM multiplayer the most, so a 3-way FFA between us three? I prefer Sequential, Blue Templar seems to prefer Simultaneous. ColonialAdmiral, which do you want? And I fail to see why PBEM would be different from PBW when both involve 'uploading a save file' and 'downloading the save file to the savegame folder'.

I'm sure there's more who seek an IRM multiplayer game - we can set up more than 1 game to accommodate people as appropriate (RL time constraints, etc).

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

I'd prefer using similtanious. I know at times it is a pain, but it does remove First turn advantatage...I will try pbem if thats what we will do, but I don't know how to do MIME encoding or whatever that is

Very well, simultaneous turn. Do we want to impose any house rules or changes to Racial Trait costs? How many systems do you want (Medium sized usually means 50~60)? Starting Homeworld quantity and quality? Warp point positions? Intel allowed or not?

You know what goes into a game setting. If you've no preference (read: no reply by Saturday), I'll make the game as I see fit and send the settings.gsu to you so you can create an empire .emp file to send back to me. Or does someone else want to be the 'host' who processes everyone's turns at the end (note that nobody can take the next turn until host processes the turn)?

I do PBEM and I've no clue what MIME encoding is.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

I'd like to go ahead and have random placement of warpoints. If you guys don't object, no intel, because alot of the features don't work. Oh, and another idea: Should we each start out with a different Homeworld type? (I.E. Gas, Rock, Ice) and then "can only colonise homeworld type"? Might be kind of nifty in a 3 way FFA... I'm fine with anything, but I would really like to have random placement of warpoints.

I'm all for No Intel. I don't mind random warp points. Blue Templar, any input?

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

4 people... I guess we could all fit in a PBEM FFA game considering it's Simultaneous Turns. I'll wait a while longer before sending you the settings.gsu (PM me your email addresses).

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

No trading of colony modules would be interesting if we were only 3 players with different planet types... I will agree to do that with a 4 players game if we choose to have 2x2 players with the same planet type. (4 different atmospheres would be great).

I don't like the No Intel idea, since it looks like to me that in this game, you either go the intel way or the research way... but if you tell me that in IRM intel is broken, I will maybe try a research heavy empire for once in multiplayer...

BTW, is there some intel features that doesn't work in BM?

I'd like to play in a Old quadrant, size small to medium.
I's also like random warp points (but then medium quadrant, since it makes the systems faster to travel in).

Also, maybe 3 good planets and high starting resources: it will make a faster game start, and players will be less dependent on what their surroundings are.

Catastrophic events with high frequency. (I would like to see at least one of them during this game).
Max of the maximum ships and units.
No cheats.

Everything else default. And if there is no intel then technology sharing ALLOWED.

P.S.: You can't say Simultaneous turns are not faster than Sequaential, since in the first case all of the players can play their turns AT THE SAME TIME!
Believe me, I've played PBEMs in Alpha Centauri, it makes a HUGE turn speed difference!

My worries with Intel are from a post which mentioned that there are problems with switching targets with Intel ops. Even after you stop investing in an empire, even after that empire is Destroyed, you still get successful intel ops on that target. I can't remember whether this also meant you can't switch your points to a new target or not. Otherwise I'd have no issues with allowing Intel. Khizlek, I'll let you decide what to do with Intel as you PM me your email address.

As for Simultaneous vs Sequential - the turn speed is faster for the former as soon as you hit 3 players or more. For 2 players... wait can anyone process the turn once everyone's orders are collected? Still, I see your point in both players taking an hour at the same time, as opposed to one-after-another. Note that I'm in GMT+0 though, so due to timezones we're not going to be able to plough through turns very quickly.

I'll need email addresses to give you the settings.gsu for final reviewing and empire making.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Even for a 1vs1 simultaneous turns are faster, because when the players don't play "at the same time", you can play 2 turns at once if the other player already sent his turn.

Psieye, I've sent you a private message with my e-mail adress.

Pbw process the turns automaticaly...But I guess we are doing email turns?

Alright, emailed all 3 of you with the .gsu - tentatively I've assigned "No Intel" on the basis that I don't think IRM has touched the Intel scripts (and the stock ones have problems as written above) whereas BM has. If you really don't like that, then we can agree to switch Intel on.

Assuming we go with No Intel: do not do a "trade all current tech" clause as that will transfer colony tech. In fact, we may as well say "no tech trade clauses" and only allow tech trade through one-off Trades and Gifts.

Files different between regular IRM0.99b3 and my version. Copy the IRM folder and name the copy "IRM 0.99b3 Psi", then overwrite the .txt files in this .zip with the ones in this copy folder.

Oh and yes, it's going to be PBEM as PBW still hasn't got IRM installed (I think the server is down again too). So after you review the .gsu settings file, make an empire and email me its .emp file.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Perhaps we should wait till next week, as thats when the next patch is out.

Ahahahaha, if we wait for next patch, then we may as well wait 2 weeks for the next IRM version to come out. Well, I won't mind waiting (and it would certainly be great to trust Strategies and not worry about the Ringed Planet bug). Send a .emp file when you feel you want to play.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

So whats the deadline for the Emp. file?

I don't have a deadline in mind - if you guys want to play this patch, send the .emp file. If you want to wait for next patch (and next IRM patch), wait. If you need a deadline, we can set one after the stock & IRM patch comes out.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

How does the current problem with the IRM over its continuing development effect this?

Looks like the next IRM patch will not be out soon, so maybe we should start this game? I've sent my .emp file to Psieye.

I use the Ukra-Tal flag and shipset.

BTW IRM is still not on PBW (neither is 1.35...). Sigh.

I'll send my shipset in soon...
I think I'll use the Seregeti race, not sure about shipset yet...

It has been THREE WEEKS now since Psieye asked for the mod to be installed on the PBW server. Why does it takes so long???

It shouldn't take so long. I'm not sure what the lag is recently. Has anyone tried to contact Geoschmo directly?

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Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod

Geoschmo just posted in the forums. He says IRM is up. But he doesn't know if its compatible with 1.35...So yeah...I don't know either. He put it under 1.35...

Isn't 1.35 completely compatible with 1.33? The IRM game is now up on PBW, so apply there. I'll wait up to a week before starting, but it seems most of us are ready. We're fine with different ship sets not having exactly the same configuration of slots? Or should we impose this?

Game Name: "IRMDebutMultiplayer"

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

I'm not fine with that since it's IRM and armor and directionnal fire are very important in this mod. So we should have the same configuration of slots for everyone.

Ok everyone, go to Mod_Definition.txt and set "Override InvConfiguration Slots" to TRUE. Er, does the PBW's copy of IRM need this updated as well? In any case, once you've made that change, go to this PBW game's private forum and post that you've made this change.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Battlestar Commander has applied to join.

See how you like the Assirican Alliance. MUHAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, PBW has updated its version of IRM to set Override InvConfiguration to TRUE. Make the change on your copy or re-download, then post that you've done so on the Game's forum.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Say, does anyone know who "Jaccurians" is? Oh well, only 1 more player or a few more days before we start.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Would I be able to join in on this? I'm not to horribly familiar with IRM but I've gone a ways up the tech tree.

Alright, for now I'll increase the max player limit and see who else comes. Some point we ought to just get started and wish others good luck with their IRM multiplayer - seeing as with the PBW server having IRM now we can all create games.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

heres my dilema. I'm going on a trip from this saturday to then next saturday. So if you guys are willing to wait...But I might just drop if you guys don't want to wait. So yeah...

I think I will not have the time to play this game, sorry...

No, it's wise to predict this ahead of time. This game is going to strain me, but I've strained myself time and again anyway.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Uuu... delays delays delays... both on my part and on others' parts. Right now we only have 2 valid .emp files - I'm not going to start a 1v1. Hmm it's almost Saturday... welcome back ColonialAdmiral?

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

Well Psieye it appears I won't be playing. It's my fault though: I didn't get my emp. in in time. I'm not going to ask you to let me back in seeing how much of a delay I caused; I had those damned SAT tests...anyway, I guess I'll have to play you in some other game.

Good luck to ya
*Salutes*

Dude? Nothing has happened so far. I only have 1 other valid .emp file and I'm not going to do a 1v1. Get your .emp file uploaded so we can at least make this a 3-way FFA.

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Playing Touhou games (Go here if interested . No, nobody else is that good/insane as that replay). No rush for SE V bug fixing.

I would join, but I'm leaving my country for an exchange in late June until August, so I probably wouldn't be able to play during the exchange.