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Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by TrajanX on Sat, 2007-03-24 12:58. Space Empires V FAQs

Is there any way to use out dated components in a ship design? I remember you could do this in SEIV but I can't see any option to do it in SEV...

I want to upgrade some of my ship designs but I don't want to have to replace all the components. I can just copy the design, and manually upgrade the parts that I want in some case. However now I have unlocked larger hull sizes and I don't see any way to upgrade to the larger size (not size-type, just larger version of the same hull) without either wiping all my components clean or upgrading *everything*. I'm trying to save here on retrofit costs and repair times by only upgrading the key components..

Thanks for any help and thanks again to everyone who has helped with my previous questions!

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Sat, 2007-03-24 13:13.

Unfortunately there is no way to select outdated components once they become obsolete.

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by evilginger on Sat, 2007-03-24 13:30.

A work round would be to copy an existing design and then manualy upgrade those components which you realy want to do this all the time with population trasports to upgrade cargo and engines as the other components are secondry to its role. The only problem here is that you retain the old hull size and cant do any thing about it

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Wolverinus on Sat, 2007-03-24 13:48.

I am not sure, if I understood corectly.
But to upgrade your ships:
-Ship design
-select a ship/unit/base
- click at the button "upgrade"
- bingo: your ship and components with a level increase are going to the new level, plus you can add or take same components.

For the use of old components: Why?
The new one cost normaly the same then the old ones, but are better.

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by TrajanX on Sat, 2007-03-24 16:30.

Thanks for the tip, EvilGinger! I wrote about doing the same thing in my OP, and as you say, the problem with that method is that I can't get the bigger hull size. oh well! (and thanks to the Capt. for letting me know there's no way to use the old components).

Wolver -- thanks for the tips, too. I already knew how to upgrade. The reason to use old components is that most of the time I am upgrading older ships, and I don't want to have to replace every component. Like if I get new crew quarters, life support, engines, and weapons -- if I click upgrade, all of those will be boosted up. But really, the thing I care most about upgrading are just the weapons. By having to upgrade everything else, I'm spending a lot in resources, and also dramatically increasing the repair time before my ships will be ready again!

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by capnq on Sun, 2007-03-25 12:21.

Another use for ships with outdated components is when you're planning to give or trade a ship to another empire, but don't want to give them the opportunity to analyze it for your cutting edge technology. (Not a common situation, but it does happen occaisionally.)

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by NightGuard on Sun, 2007-03-25 14:16.

The main reason you can't use obsolete components in Space Empires 5 is because all components are generated by formula, unlike in Space Empires 4 where each component was a separate entry on the table. It saved Aaron a lot of space on his definition files, but limits the system to showing only the newest components currently in your build table. I know that people are already asking him to allow a "show all" component list, but this hasn't been implemented yet.

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Vince278 on Sat, 2007-12-29 11:21.

The only reason I can think of to keep old components or not upgrading all the way is to save money. Smiling

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Dvoongar on Mon, 2008-01-28 10:44.

Another reason would be if you're selling/giving the ships to another empire & don't want to let your best tech out.

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Vince278 on Mon, 2008-01-28 17:01.

That's true in a multiplayer game. I don't know if the AI is smart enough in single-player. Smiling

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Re: Yet another noob question -- using outdated components?

Submitted by Lastdreamer on Mon, 2008-01-28 18:27.

As TrajanX has said, if you retrofit a ship with ALL new component, it will take more turn before it get ready (repair time...). Another reason is that upgrading engine will lose all supply on that ship... it's annoying if you are in a solar system with only a small domed colony with only one Supplt Depot...

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