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Planet temperature...

Submitted by Fallen Haven on Sat, 2006-11-11 16:20. Space Empires V General

I don't know if it was intended that way, but it seem to me that the numbers are a bit strange. I mean, how can a planet at -195 degree Celsius be a good rock planet (and you see a picture of a nice grassland)? Shouldn't that temp be of a Ice planet? I always wondered why my human like custom race liked freezing cold rock planets...

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The temperature formula is

Submitted by Kalin on Sat, 2006-11-11 18:52.

The temperature formula is completely based upon the distance of the planet from the center of the solar system and the number of suns in the system, with planets closer to the sun being hot, and far away being frozen rocks. It doesn't take into account the internal heat that a planet naturally generates via gravitic forces or the effects of a greenhouse environment. If you take a look at the formula you'd see that it's just straight "guess-imation". Of course, as far as I can tell, it has absolutely no effect on gameplay... so aside from being visibly odd, it doesn't do any real harm.

As for the difference between Ice and Rock planets, there is very little with the exception of the abundance of water. An Ice planet IMO is one composed mainly of liquid, a rock is one mainly of solid materials, and a gas giant is well... full of gasses (of course, that's just my take on it). Temperature wise, you will find plenty of extremely hot ice planets and freezing gas giants due to the way the galaxy is generated.

Perhaps someday in the future we'll get a mod that make "sense" of these various statistics, but right now, it's best to just ignore them.

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Mod

Submitted by Rilbur on Sat, 2006-11-11 22:25.

There was a (mini) mod out there that rationalized the values given so no more ice-worlds above boiling and the like. Not sure where it ran off to.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Mini Mod

Submitted by Fallen Haven on Mon, 2006-11-13 21:37.

Rilbur wrote:
There was a (mini) mod out there that rationalized the values given so no more ice-worlds above boiling and the like. Not sure where it ran off to.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

Yeah, i would like to find it to as i can't find where thoses values are stored...

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Formula

Submitted by Rilbur on Mon, 2006-11-13 23:57.

I think there was a file called "formulas.txt" or something like that.

There are 10 types of people in the world:

Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

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Lots of planets should be airless

Submitted by col.kurtz on Fri, 2006-11-17 04:45.

Logically with the stock version formula a lot of planets should be airless because most of the gas in the atmosphere would freeze solid :
Carbon-dioxide turns to solid at –78°C, Methane at -162 °C and Oxygen at -183°C.
For example if a planet temperature is below –78°C it cannot have a carbon-dioxide atmosphere, except maybe in some specific volcanic areas.

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Feature

Submitted by Varek Raith on Fri, 2006-11-17 05:12.

I think a feature request is in order here. I would like the ability in formulas.txt to specify a different formula for each planet/atmosphere type. Purely a flavor request, but I think it would be nice.

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I'm pretty sure

Submitted by Phoenix-D on Tue, 2006-11-21 17:03.

I'm pretty sure you can do that already, though I haven't tested it. The various planet files specify which formula they refer to.

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Balancing

Submitted by Helker on Tue, 2006-11-21 19:56.

I believe that this "illogic" with the temperatures exist because the game has to be balanced.

I remember that in SE4 until late the best home planet was the "Hydrogen Gas Giant", because that way you had lots of huge planets to colonize, while Rock and Ice planets were much smaller. With the last version choosing the home planets was just a matter of "taste", and the game was much more balanced.

Now you can have "Tiny Gas Giants"; it seems illogic, but it is good becase there is no "better choice". It is the same with temperatures.

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Tempature

Submitted by Phoenix-D on Tue, 2006-11-21 20:23.

Tempature, gravity, and radiation aren't used in-game; they're for flavor only. No balance issues.

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I thought

Submitted by Helker on Tue, 2006-11-21 20:35.

Phoenix-D wrote:
Tempature, gravity, and radiation aren't used in-game; they're for flavor only. No balance issues.

I thought that someone was thinking to create a mod to actually use those values, and I was explaining why those values weren't used...

Maybe I didn't explain myself :|

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Not possible to use Planet stats yet...

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Tue, 2006-11-21 20:38.

Unfortunately with the current setup, there's no way to really use them in game. Back in the early days I had suggested a system where a race that closely matched the planet's stats might gain some extra space on the planet and vice versa.

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I have modded it a bit...

Submitted by Fallen Haven on Wed, 2006-11-22 10:51.

And made it so ICE worlds are sub zeros and rock like are more likely to be above the zero point, but the game seem to like to put ICE planets right next to the stars, wich make it weird to have a cold planet there... Still, what i did make more sense than stock...

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Planetary stats...

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Thu, 2006-11-23 23:58.

The Balance Mod does feature improved planet placement as ice planets will be further out from stars - but I haven't completely revised the formulas yet so that it never produces ice planets above 0°C. But at least they don't exceed -273°C anymore. Sticking out tongue

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Planet placement

Submitted by Fallen Haven on Fri, 2006-11-24 01:32.

Captain Kwok wrote:
The Balance Mod does feature improved planet placement as ice planets will be further out from stars - but I haven't completely revised the formulas yet so that it never produces ice planets above 0°C. But at least they don't exceed -273°C anymore. Sticking out tongue

But they don't need to be that cold either Sticking out tongue. Btw, what did you do to make sure they would be placed farther away? I tryied to mod that but once in a while they still get there. Maybe it's because they are spawned as moon of some other planet...

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That wouldn't work

Submitted by Fishman on Fri, 2006-11-24 04:40.

col.kurtz wrote:
Logically with the stock version formula a lot of planets should be airless because most of the gas in the atmosphere would freeze solid : Carbon-dioxide turns to solid at –78°C, Methane at -162 °C and Oxygen at -183°C. For example if a planet temperature is below –78°C it cannot have a carbon-dioxide atmosphere, except maybe in some specific volcanic areas.
Heh, that wouldn't work. The gas would quickly dissipate to the non-gassified areas, whereupon it would freeze solid. If you had a source where this gas was being created, you'd get some pretty nasty wind.

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Atmosphere

Submitted by Fallen Haven on Fri, 2006-11-24 08:48.

Fishman wrote:
col.kurtz wrote:
Logically with the stock version formula a lot of planets should be airless because most of the gas in the atmosphere would freeze solid : Carbon-dioxide turns to solid at –78°C, Methane at -162 °C and Oxygen at -183°C. For example if a planet temperature is below –78°C it cannot have a carbon-dioxide atmosphere, except maybe in some specific volcanic areas.
Heh, that wouldn't work. The gas would quickly dissipate to the non-gassified areas, whereupon it would freeze solid. If you had a source where this gas was being created, you'd get some pretty nasty wind.

Hey, gravity too is a factor. Many planet with low gravity should have no atmosphere, while the high gravity ones should have one by default (Unless "none" mean nothing breathable and not completly devoid of one).

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Gravity and atmosphere

Submitted by col.kurtz on Fri, 2006-11-24 09:41.

I agree, for example most rock or ice planets should rarely have hydrogen atmosphere (or at least hydrogen should not be the main component of their atmosphere) : hydrogen is a very light gas and rock and ice planets gravity fields are to weak to prevent hydrogen from escaping into space shortly after the formation of these planets. Most of hydrogen atmosphere planets should be gas giants.

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Check the Systems files

Submitted by BlueM99n84 on Tue, 2007-01-16 02:38.

I think there is a way to modify the system txt files to restrict placement of the Ice and Gas planets. You would have to edit the standard system descriptors.

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